At what point did Vegeta realize that Goku had SSJ2?

[SIAD]

In case it was at the moment when Goku momentarily transformed into SSJ2 against Yakon, it could mean that Goku SSJ (Boo) surpassed Perfect Cell.

Goku considering Dabura at the Cell level suggests that Goku compared Dabura to SPC, as Goku felt and saw the fight between SPC and Kid Gohan SSJ2. However, Vegeta was unaware that Goku had seen said match, suggesting that Vegeta thought that SSJ Goku (Boo) could defeat someone who had the level of Cell Perfect.

Goku constantly hearing Vegeta feeling superior to others means that Goku knew that Vegeta could have SSJ2 and for the same reason he knew that Vegeta could defeat someone with SPC level.

Before the Gohan vs. Dabura match, Goku was interested to see how powerful Gohan had become, therefore, Goku expected Teen Gohan SSJ2 to be more powerful than SPC.

 

[ahill1]

I think he suspected that for a long time, the fact Goku used it quickly vs Yakon just confirmed it.

And they were probably comparing Dabura to Perfect Cell, not SPC... I know it makes more sense for the comparison to be with the strongest level Cell showcased, but the fact that a way weaker Gohan could give trouble to a Dabura that was later told to be stronger than previously imagined, makes the comparison with SPC hard... as Cell in that super state was somewhat close to Kid Gohan at his peak.

 

[SIAD]

The truth is that I see a similar difference between Dabura (Suppressed vs Gohan) over Teen Gohan SSJ2 than Cell Perfect (Suppressed vs Goku) over Goku MSSJ (CG). Considering that after the match, Gohan had to take a Senzu and still, he knew he needed to get mad to defeat Dabura.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I think Dabra being comparable to Perfect Cell is more fitting too. He exists to show how much Gohan has regressed in power, making Dabra stronger than the Cell Gohan barely defeated goes against that purpose. Goku even says Cell wasn’t a big deal anymore, which can’t possibly be the case with SPC.

As for the OP, Vegeta already expected Goku to have SSJ2.
"So as expected, that bastard Kakarot has also surpassed that wall?...The Super Saiyan wall..."

 

[SSJ2]

Probably suspected it since they both told each other that they were far better than they were at the Cell Games honestly. It was confirmed against Yakon.

And agreed with ahill. The only way it could possibly make sense for Dabura's comparison to be about SPC is if CG Gohan was exponentially higher, which I don't think is suggested. And that's assuming that Gohan was Super Saiyan 2, which he clearly isn't.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Probably suspected it since they both told each other that they were far better than they were at the Cell Games honestly. It was confirmed against Yakon.

And agreed with ahill. The only way it could possibly make sense for Dabura's comparison to be about SPC is if CG Gohan was exponentially higher, which I don't think is suggested. And that's assuming that Gohan was Super Saiyan 2, which he clearly isn't.

What if Enraged SSJ2 Gohan >>> Insecure SSJ2 Gohan ~ SPC?

 

[SSJ2]

That's exactly what I meant, and I don't think it's suggested personally. I think rage was the catalyst for Gohan to reach SSJ2, and the final burst against Cell brought him back to his regular level.

 

[Hector]

I think he suspected that for a long time, the fact Goku used it quickly vs Yakon just confirmed it.

And they were probably comparing Dabura to Perfect Cell, not SPC... I know it makes more sense for the comparison to be with the strongest level Cell showcased, but the fact that a way weaker Gohan could give trouble to a Dabura that was later told to be stronger than previously imagined, makes the comparison with SPC hard... as Cell in that super state was somewhat close to Kid Gohan at his peak.

Or maybe SSJ2 Kid Gohan outclassed SPC when he went full power.

 

[Papasmurf]

Vegeta confirmed he had it when he flashed it to Yakon, and suspected his power was as great as the full power of SSJ2 shown in their later bout.

 

[ahill1]

Or maybe SSJ2 Kid Gohan outclassed SPC when he went full power.

He outclassed Cell... I just don't believe it's by a big amount. Just enough to kill him.

 

[SSJ2]

I don't think Vegeta's distraction would've been shown if Gohan was dramatically above Cell.

 

[Papasmurf]

I don't think Vegeta's distraction would've been shown if Gohan was dramatically above Cell.

Gohan had a broken arm and lost most of his Ki before he launched the KHH tho...

 

[SSJ2]

All the more reason why he shouldn't be leagues above Cell in the final burst.

 

[Papasmurf]

All the more reason why he shouldn't be leagues above Cell in the final burst.

But would Cell still have been winning if Gohan had been fresh?

 

[SSJ2]

Nah, I think Gohan has a small advantage at full power. Though I doubt it was huge. Cell was confident in his chances after returning so it can't be much. Close enough so that Vegeta's distraction had significance.

 

[Papasmurf]

Nah, I think Gohan has a small advantage at full power. Though I doubt it was huge. Cell was confident in his chances after returning so it can't be much. Close enough so that Vegeta's distraction had significance.

Wouldn't Cell have better stamina than Gohan though since Gohan only recently attained SSJ2 and Cell seemed to have MSSJ level stamina without ever training

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

SSJ2 doesn’t seem to have any serious stamina issues, though Gohan definitely was in a bad shape in the beam struggle with those injuries. Firing a Kamehameha with one hand can’t be that easy. He also looked like he was collapsing at any moment.