Bardock went SSJ against Freeza?

[Captain Cadaver]

Let's say there is no minimum battle power for SSJ and go the Episode of Bardock route. His rage causes him to go SSJ when confronting Freeza. Now, there are several routes this can go down.

1. Bardock's SSJ power still isn't enough. Freeza kills him and destroys Planet Vegeta.
2. Bardock gains a Zenkai from his battle with Dodoria and kills Freeza before he can transform.
3. Bardock gains a Zenkai from his battle with Dodoria, but Freeza transforms and kills him.

Which do you find to be the most likely and, more importantly, what large scale impact would it have on the rest of the series. If Freeza is overthrown, it changes everything. If Freeza still wins, do you believe seeing a Super Saiyan would make him more paranoid (ie. purging Raditz, Nappa and Vegeta as well) or would you believe he'd still not care once seeing a Super Saiyan only required a fraction of his full power to kill?

 

[KyuubiAhri]

actually there is no minimum required PL to become ssj. Ssj trunks was weak as hell when he was sparring with future gohan.

bardock can't win.He isnt even at 10,000 which means that as a ssj he will be less than 500,000. He loses.

Frieza purges vegeta raditz and nappa.If a low class such as bardock was able to get that strong,who knows what vegeta would be capable of

 

[Captain Cadaver]

actually there is no minimum required PL to become ssj. Ssj trunks was weak as hell when he was sparring with future gohan.

He was still most likely leagues above Bardock though.

 

[KyuubiAhri]

actually there is no minimum required PL to become ssj. Ssj trunks was weak as hell when he was sparring with future gohan.

He was still most likely leagues above Bardock though.

well with gohan being somewhat stronger than namek goku and ssj trunks still losing to him i can't imagine him being higher than 60,000

 

[Papasmurf]

Bardock most likely loses to 2nd Form Freeza unless his zenkai is 30+x like Goku's was prior to going SSJ. If his zenkai is yuge like those in the latter half of the Namek arc though, I could see him winning against 2nd form Freeza (doubt he'd let freeza transform any more times)

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Freeza said that it didn't take his 2nd form to defeat the Saiyans and if Bardock somehow turn into a SSjin then he might beat Base Freeza but no chance in hell against 2nd form Freeza.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

He'd be way more confident tbh, considering he was able to kill the SSJ without transforming. And considering how the legend says there is only one SSJ on each 1,000 years, he wouldn't be scared of Vegeta and the others growing up strong. I don't see things changing that much tbh.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

He'd be way more confident tbh, considering he was able to kill the SSJ without transforming. And considering how the legend says there is only one SSJ on each 1,000 years, he wouldn't be scared of Vegeta and the others growing up strong. I don't see things changing that much tbh.

That was a dub line. It was just stated that the last Super Saiyan appeared over 1,000 years ago.

Considering how the initial reason Freeza killed the Saiyans was their potential strength in numbers, don't you believe this would support him following through with his plan 100%?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Oh, i see.

But would this make him more confident? He'd be like "I killed a SSJ! I'm fucking invencible!" I'm sure he'd kill Vegeta, since he's the strongest one and candidate #1 to be a SSJ. Does he know Bardock was a low class? If he does, i think he'd kill all the Saiyans.

 

[Jeff Styles]

I'll go with scenario 1. Bardock's power level was reaching 10k and I don't think he gain a Zenkai between being blasted by Dodoria and confronting Freeza.

Freeza may feel more inclined to kill Vegeta and the others or at least keep a closer eye on them since a low class warrior did achieve SSJ.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

He'd be way more confident tbh, considering he was able to kill the SSJ without transforming. And considering how the legend says there is only one SSJ on each 1,000 years, he wouldn't be scared of Vegeta and the others growing up strong. I don't see things changing that much tbh.

That was a dub line. It was just stated that the last Super Saiyan appeared over 1,000 years ago.

Considering how the initial reason Freeza killed the Saiyans was their potential strength in numbers, don't you believe this would support him following through with his plan 100%?

Didn't GT perfect files said the same thing?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Does he know Bardock was a low class? If he does, i think he'd kill all the Saiyans.

He does, since he said that Goku resembled that "low class Saiyan".

Didn't GT perfect files said the same thing?

Maybe so, but that's anime continuity (and a separate anime continuity from Z due to the Boo Arc power chain, at that). Manga only says the last Super Saiyan appeared roughly 1,000 years ago.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Case 1: Freeza defeats Bardock and spares Vegeta/Nappa/Raditz anyway.
Nothing changes.

Case 2: Freeza defeats Bardock and decides to kill Vegeta/Nappa/Raditz.
Freeza's empire remains and Z fighters on Earth are screwed by Androids,
unless Freeza invades the planet first.

Case 3: Bardock defeats Freeza and King Cold never bothers.
Saiyans develop a small empire at that part of the galaxy. Eventually,
they reach Earth to pick up Bardock's lost son. Goku refuses to join
them and everybody on Earth dies.

Case 4: Bardock defeats Freeza and King Cold kills Saiyans later.
Vegeta, Nappa and Raditz work for Cold instead. On Namek, we have
a Cold Saga instead of Freeza Saga. Cold kills them all.