Base Saiyans > Piccolo experiment

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So Freeza wasn't rulling the universe 300 years ago because Babidi didn't find jack on earth? Freeza's Empire is way out of the Solar System. This was random AF, man.

They have that Kili thing. And they seem to be able to sense in a really vague way, considering how they knew Saiyans > Piccolo, even though Base Saiyans are fodder to Piccolo. If Babidi can tell the Saiyans are hiding power, why he wouldn't be able to do the same with Freeza? And if he pick those guys based on reputation only, why he wouldn't pick the tyrant of the universe?

We don't know when did Freeza became the ruler of the universe since the manga didn't specify but the Daizenshuu mention that he's around 60 years old IIRC. And besides, Babidi was proven to be ignorant along with Dabura as well and the fact that since they were on Earth for so long, they should be able learn Cell and others existence which they clearly don't.

So she was so curious that she risked her chances of winning the price?

That's not what she had in her mind during that fight, once she learned that the kids are so damn strong as SSjin, she quickly ended them by Kienzan. Both of them were holding back so its not a good example to support that theory of Base Saiyans > Freeza or Piccolo

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

We don't know when did Freeza became the ruler of the universe since the manga didn't specify but the Daizenshuu mention that he's around 60 years old IIRC. And besides, Babidi was proven to be ignorant along with Dabura as well and the fact that since they were on Earth for so long, they should be able learn Cell and others existence which they clearly don't.

Cell was only know on earth and lived for 2 weeks. Freeza was a dictador known in the whole universe for more than 30 years.

That's not what she had in her mind during that fight, once she learned that the kids are so damn strong as SSjin, she quickly ended them by Kienzan. Both of them were holding back so its not a good example to support that theory of Base Saiyans > Freeza or Piccolo

This doesn't seem like holding back for me:

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And if she was holding back, why don't she power up and beat them? I don't think it's one of the worsts arguments tbh. It's the only feat we have, considering it's debatable if Shin is weaker on not than the Base Saiyans.

 

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Cell was only know on earth and lived for 2 weeks. Freeza was a dictador known in the whole universe for more than 30 years.

And how about the Z Shenshi? Why can't Babidi learn that there are warriors far superior than Yamu and Spopovitch but instead he recruited those clowns over the likes of Mr. Satan, Tien [who always been training in the mountain therefore his power can be sense] and the others? Also Babidi and Dabura were already on Earth 3 centuries ago before the rise of Freeza.

Vegeta already answered your question.

This doesn't seem like holding back for me:

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And if she was holding back, why don't she power up and beat them? I don't think it's one of the worsts arguments tbh. It's the only feat we have, considering it's debatable if Shin is weaker on not than the Base Saiyans.

Because she was curious about Mighty Mask in the first place especially how strong he was with those short arms and long torso. You can see her expressions weren't hardly struggling against the kids. Therefore, this is not a good evidence to debunk Beerus's statement.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

And how about the Z Shenshi? Why can't Babidi learn that there are warriors far superior than Yamu and Spopovitch but instead he recruited those clowns over the likes of Mr. Satan, Tien [who always been training in the mountain therefore his power can be sense and the others? Also Babidi and Dabura were already on Earth 3 centuries ago before the rise of Freeza.

Vegeta already answered your question.

Spopovich and Yamu are just two random puppets to gather energy at the Budokai.

This doesn't explain nothing. All this says is that Babidi didn't do his research properly on earth. It doesn't explain how Babidi recrutes Pocus, who's the champion of some random planet, but never even hears of Freeza, a dictador known in the whole universe.

Because she was curious about Mighty Mask in the first place especially how strong he was with those short arms and long torso. You can see her expressions weren't hardly struggling against the kids. Therefore, this is not a good evidence to debunk Beerus's statement.

The kids where in that lown suit that restricted them on going head to head even as SSJs. The fact they still able to block her hits and fastly get back on their feat after she knocks them all out on the ground implies they are stronger than her.

 

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Spopovich and Yamu are just two random puppets to gather energy at the Budokai.

This doesn't explain nothing. All this says is that Babidi didn't do his research properly on earth. It doesn't explain how Babidi recrutes Pocus, who's the champion of some random planet, but never even hears of Freeza, a dictador known in the whole universe.

He never heard Freeza because Freeza wasn't born yet when he was in space and Freeza rise in power was after Babidi was on Earth already. Get it?

The kids where in that lown suit that restricted them on going head to head even as SSJs. The fact they still able to block her hits and fastly get back on their feat after she knocks them all out on the ground implies they are stronger than her.

How did you came to this conclusion when #18 was holding back and the kids were restricted by the costume? You can't judge the fight that way unless they're fighting at their maximum which they weren't in this case.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Spopovich and Yamu are just two random puppets to gather energy at the Budokai.

This doesn't explain nothing. All this says is that Babidi didn't do his research properly on earth. It doesn't explain how Babidi recrutes Pocus, who's the champion of some random planet, but never even hears of Freeza, a dictador known in the whole universe.

He never heard Freeza because Freeza wasn't born yet when he was in space and Freeza rise in power was after Babidi was on Earth already. Get it?

The kids where in that lown suit that restricted them on going head to head even as SSJs. The fact they still able to block her hits and fastly get back on their feat after she knocks them all out on the ground implies they are stronger than her.

How did you came to this conclusion when #18 was holding back and the kids were restricted by the costume? You can't judge the fight that way unless they're fighting at their maximum which they weren't in this case.

But didn't Babidi arrives on the year of the Budokai? He had like, 60 years when he was somewhere on the universe.

If 18 was holding back, why don't she just gets serious and knocks them out? She should be able to tell how strong they are after some sparring, considering she could tell Vegeta was holding back after some spar after well. The only one who wasn't all out is Trunks.

 

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But didn't Babidi arrives on the year of the Budokai? He had like, 60 years when he was somewhere on the universe.

Dabura said they checked the Earth 300 years ago which mean they were already there and that's before Freeza rise in power.

If 18 was holding back, why don't she just gets serious and knocks them out? She should be able to tell how strong they are after some sparring, considering she could tell Vegeta was holding back after some spar after well. The only one who wasn't all out is Trunks.

Then again, she was curious on the warrior behind that costume especially with those little arms and long torso which wasn't the case with Vegeta and Trunks. Her expressions pretty much implied that she's not struggling against the kids.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

But didn't Babidi arrives on the year of the Budokai? He had like, 60 years when he was somewhere on the universe.

Dabura said they checked the Earth 300 years ago which mean they were already there and that's before Freeza rise in power.

If 18 was holding back, why don't she just gets serious and knocks them out? She should be able to tell how strong they are after some sparring, considering she could tell Vegeta was holding back after some spar after well. The only one who wasn't all out is Trunks.

Then again, she was curious on the warrior behind that costume especially with those little arms and long torso which wasn't the case with Vegeta and Trunks. Her expressions pretty much implied that she's not struggling against the kids.

Checking =/= being there.

Are we going anywhere with this Kids vs 18 thing?

 

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But didn't Babidi arrives on the year of the Budokai? He had like, 60 years when he was somewhere on the universe.

Dabura said they checked the Earth 300 years ago which mean they were already there and that's before Freeza rise in power.

If 18 was holding back, why don't she just gets serious and knocks them out? She should be able to tell how strong they are after some sparring, considering she could tell Vegeta was holding back after some spar after well. The only one who wasn't all out is Trunks.

Then again, she was curious on the warrior behind that costume especially with those little arms and long torso which wasn't the case with Vegeta and Trunks. Her expressions pretty much implied that she's not struggling against the kids.

Checking =/= being there.

Are we going anywhere with this Kids vs 18 thing?

There's no proof when Babidi and Dabura went to Earth other than Dabura mentioning that they checked the Earth 3 hundred years ago.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

There's no proof when Babidi and Dabura went to Earth other than Dabura mentioning that they checked the Earth 3 hundred years ago.

They arrived on the year Buu Saga happens. Otherwise, why did Shin take so long to arrive? Why Babidi didn't attacked the others to get energy earlier? They at the very least arrives during the 7 years gap, considering they didn't interfere at the Cell Games.

 

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There's no proof when Babidi and Dabura went to Earth other than Dabura mentioning that they checked the Earth 3 hundred years ago.

They arrived on the year Buu Saga happens. Otherwise, why did Shin take so long to arrive? Why Babidi didn't attacked the others to get energy earlier? They at the very least arrives during the 7 years gap, considering they didn't interfere at the Cell Games.

Because Shin doesn't know where Babidi is hiding and Babidi managed to recruit Yamu and Spopovitch which allowed Shin to hunt them.