Base Trunks VS Future Android 17 and 18

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Is it enough to take these Androids?

 

[Diamond Ryan]

I think Trunks used SSj for a reason. I have base Trunks around the future androids level, so he won't be able to take them two on one.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I don't think he can take them in Base. He'd get bodied hard.

 

[Pyro]

I used to think he'd cum all over their faces, but I'm cool with him needing Super Saiyan to beat them.

 

[Void]

Yeah, base Trunks loses. I have him pretty close to these Androids but it's not enough.

 

[p123]

It doesn't really make sense for Trunks to be able to defeat both Androids easily while in Base. This is another key point when doing power levels imo. Oozaru Goku > Grandpa Gohan is one of them. I think it's ok to have Trunks anywhere from being way weaker than the Androids to being a bit stronger.

I always had a tough time keeping the Base Saiyans low enough around the Androids power due to the massive suggested gaps in the Cell Saga.

Also, this is a huge point when bringing up the kids power in the Buu Saga.

So all in all, I think the safe bet is to have Base Trunks right around the Future Androids level and Base Kid Trunks in the Buu Saga around the Present Level Androids level. I feel this is suggested for the most part.

It gives Base Trunks the credit he deserves against Imperfect Cell, without getting crazy with it.

 

[ahill1]

It doesn't really make sense for Trunks to be able to defeat both Androids easily while in Base. This is another key point when doing power levels imo. Oozaru Goku > Grandpa Gohan is one of them. I think it's ok to have Trunks anywhere from being way weaker than the Androids to being a bit stronger.

I always had a tough time keeping the Base Saiyans low enough around the Androids power due to the massive suggested gaps in the Cell Saga.

Also, this is a huge point when bringing up the kids power in the Buu Saga.

So all in all, I think the safe bet is to have Base Trunks right around the Future Androids level and Base Kid Trunks in the Buu Saga around the Present Level Androids level. I feel this is suggested for the most part.

It gives Base Trunks the credit he deserves against Imperfect Cell, without getting crazy with it.

Where do you have base Goku and Vegeta at the Boo saga?

 

[p123]

I think I had the three base Saiyans somewhere in the gap between 17,18 and 16 or possibly right at 16 level as well.

 

[ahill1]

I think I had the three base Saiyans somewhere in the gap between 17,18 and 16 or possibly right at 16 level as well.

What do you think of having Boo saga base Goku at 18's level?

 

[Pyro]

Same, it was always tough to keep Base Trunks weaker than the Future Androids due to the giant gaps implied for the Cell stuff, but it's possible with a 50x multiplier. Good luck with a 10x multiplier.

 

[p123]

Meh, considering how well Kid Trunks did against 18, I doubt Goku would have any issue with that.

I think Yakkon rips through 18 like a hot knife through butter.

And yea agreed, the Cell Saga make the 10x boost laughable if you consider the Base Saiyans around the Androids. Simply put, the beginning of the Celll Saga had the Super Saiyans around the Androids and the Buu Saga has the Base Saiyans around the Androids. Huge fucking boosts.

Also KP, he doesn't have to be weaker, he could be a significant amount stronger, just not enough where he can easily take out the two of them a the same time.

 

[ahill1]

Meh, considering how well Kid Trunks did against 18, I doubt Goku would have any issue with that.

I think Yakkon rips through 18 like a hot knife through butter.

And yea agreed, the Cell Saga make the 10x boost laughable if you consider the Base Saiyans around the Androids. Simply put, the beginning of the Celll Saga had the Super Saiyans around the Androids and the Buu Saga has the Base Saiyans around the Androids. Huge fucking boosts.

Do you really feel base kids are around 18's level after seeing the Mighty Mask fight?

 

[p123]

Sure, isn't that the point of the scene? Trunks is in a terrible situation and still holding his own against 18. The boys go heading into the match knowing 18 used to be stronger than their dads still in their base form. Their Super Saiyan form is probably strong enough to beat Gohan's if they team up together.

 

[ahill1]

But #18 was nonchalant through all the fight, with the same boring expression. When the boys turned into SSJ, she just remarked "ohh, so the boys, huh?", without being worried at all, which I feel she would be had the kids already showed strength on par with her in base.

 

[p123]

18 is pretty bored fighting Vegeta as well. Also, 18 doesn't understand why Mighty Mask is so powerful. There's no real reason for her to not end the match quickly if she is so much more powerful. She wouldn't waste her time and doesn't suggest she has more power in the tank. What we see is that a Base Saiyan is able to tangle with 18. Trunks bounces up from her hit like nothing happened. Clearly her math on how Super Saiyan works is wrong. Goten is able to hang with Gohan somewhat, they are way beyond what 18 is capable of.

 

[ahill1]

18 is pretty bored fighting Vegeta as well. Also, 18 doesn't understand why Mighty Mask is so powerful. There's no real reason for her to not end the match quickly if she is so much more powerful.

Yeah, and Super Saiyajin Vegeta (Androids saga) is considerably below #18. That's my point, that's how we see #18 acting when she's fighting an opponent considerably weaker, the same happening with the Mighty Mask fight. I'd be okay with base Trunks being at SSJ Vegeta (Androids saga) level, but I'd sure not want to see the base kids being #18's equal.

How strong do you have the kids compared to the adults?

 

[p123]

So what's the point of 18 stalling and not taking Mighty Mask out quickly. She took out her other opponents very quickly, why the need to stall here if she could just take him out 1,2,3?

 

[ahill1]

So what's the point of 18 stalling and not taking Mighty Mask out quickly. She took out her other opponents very quickly, why the need to stall here if she could just take him out 1,2,3?

Well, kid Trunks' calculations were also a bit off regarding his blast on #18. He was obviously going with a blast > her (but not too much above, since he had no intentions of killing her) and the blast ended about equal to her power. So it makes me think #18 didn't go exactly at 100% against Mighty Mask, maybe used 75% or so. Maybe before they turned SSJ, she was planning on going all out, don't know.

It's also worthy note that right after kid Trunks' SSJ blast, #18 was like "change of plans, it's better end this thing now", which suggests she wasn't thinking of ending the fight until she saw how strong they were as SSJs. It doesn't make much sense to me if their base were already = 18 considering it, but okay.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

@ahill1 It's possible that 18 didn't realize that the suit restrained the boys. They were still able to react to her movements and get up from her hits, so if they are below, I don't think it is by very much.

 

[p123]

Oh I think that blast was way above her. I think that blast would have easily killed her. When she says, welp let's get this over with, she goes from a non kill mode to fuck it I have no choice mode. Krillen told her not to kill anyone, but throwing a Kienzan definitely does not suggest she was holding back anything.

If she was holding back shit tons of power, she could have upped her power, she resorts to Kienzan because she has nothing left to offer.