Beerus vs Champa + Vermoud?

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If Beerus is still stronger than MUI Goku he should win this easily.

 

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If Beerus is still stronger than MUI Goku he should win this easily.

Exact.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Unless Beerus is revealed to have become stronger since the ToP, the team win. The battle royale between the Hakaishin suggested Beerus can't really do more against 2 of his peers than dodge and he got fatigued enough by either Iwan or several Hakaishin to be noticeably injured by the end. If anything, recent scaling involving UI Goku and Moro does nothing here but show Belmod is significantly below the stronger Hakaishin such as Beerus, Quitela, Rumoosh, etc. though he should still be capable of offering enough support to win when Champa isn't suggested to be someone current Beerus could stomp.

 

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Unless Beerus is revealed to have become stronger since the ToP, the team win. The battle royale between the Hakaishin suggested Beerus can't really do more against 2 of his peers than dodge and he got fatigued enough by either Iwan or several Hakaishin to be noticeably injured by the end. If anything, recent scaling involving UI Goku and Moro does nothing here but show Belmod is significantly below the stronger Hakaishin such as Beerus, Quitela, Rumoosh, etc. though he should still be capable of offering enough support to win when Champa isn't suggested to be someone current Beerus could stomp.

[mention]Captain Cadaver[/mention] So you could say that Vermoud is a weakling. But what do you think about Shin and Goku believing that Vegetto SSJB (Manga) and Broly LSSJ respectively, could be more powerful than Beerus?

According to Goku, Moro (OG73I) is the strongest or toughest character he has ever faced. Shouldn't I at least put that version of Moro in the Broly LSSJ league? Or lastly in the same league as Jiren (Beyond Limits)?

Could it be that Goku and Shin underestimated the power of Beerus?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Moro's durability seems to be far greater than his actual power, as shown early on by him being able to take a kick from PSSB Vegeta without severe damage despite having power only slightly greater than SSG Vegeta at the time. He could still have power far below Broly's level despite still having greater durability. His fight with Merus further shows this through Merus only being capable of cracking his forehead stone despite being at least as strong as UI Goku if not far more so. In terms of raw power though, Moro's peak would still have to be at least comparable to Jiren's due to scaling from UI Sign Goku.

As for Goku and Shin's estimations of Beerus, there should be no place for underestimating them in the manga when the Hakaishin were ordered to not hold back in the battle royale and neither of the two noted Beerus being far stronger than they realised. Whether or not the statements from the Broly movie still apply to the manga may be debatable now, though Goku's estimations for Beerus in the anime should still be accurate when he witnessed Beerus and Champa's short scuffle in which neither one seemed to hold back.

 

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Moro's durability seems to be far greater than his actual power, as shown early on by him being able to take a kick from PSSB Vegeta without severe damage despite having power only slightly greater than SSG Vegeta at the time. He could still have power far below Broly's level despite still having greater durability. His fight with Merus further shows this through Merus only being capable of cracking his forehead stone despite being at least as strong as UI Goku if not far more so. In terms of raw power though, Moro's peak would still have to be at least comparable to Jiren's due to scaling from UI Sign Goku.

As for Goku and Shin's estimations of Beerus, there should be no place for underestimating them in the manga when the Hakaishin were ordered to not hold back in the battle royale and neither of the two noted Beerus being far stronger than they realised. Whether or not the statements from the Broly movie still apply to the manga may be debatable now, though Goku's estimations for Beerus in the anime should still be accurate when he witnessed Beerus and Champa's short scuffle in which neither one seemed to hold back.

So the string should be Whis >> Gogeta PSSJB >>> Broly LSSJ> = Beerus = Quitela = Merus> = UI Goku (Current) = UI Moro = Champa >> UI Goku (ToP)> = Jiren (Beyond Limits)> Moro (OG73I)> = Jiren (FP)> = Vermoud> Moro (FP) >> UI Sing Goku?

Perhaps Moro (FP) had surpassed the weak Destroyer Gods.