Best battle powers ever

[ahill1]

Well, in advance, I say, be prepared for this is the best list you will ever find. Like, almost flawless... close to perfection... crafted after years and years fighting in the trenches, debating all kind of crazy power levelers, figuring the level of effort put into each fight analysing the sweat droplets, faces expressions, by how inches the fighter dodged an attack, looking at all statements from the original manga and embracing all the heart a power leveler must have when crafting a definitive art. So if you wanna see and use this as basis for every power scaling, feel free to, for I am giving you guys this final gift.


Future Trunks arrives

Piccolo : 2,700,000
Vegeta : 3,000,000


King Cold : 100,000,000
Mecha Freeza : 160,000,000

SSJ Trunks : 240,000,000
SSJ Goku : 270,000,000


Androids arrive


Yamcha : 2,000,000
Tenshinhan : 3,000,000
Kuririn : 4,000,000
Gohan : 6,000,000

Piccolo 370,000,000

SSJ Goku (sick) : 310,000,000
-- 100% : 465,000,000

Android 19 : 230,000,000
-- post KMHMH : 287,500,000
-- post weak Goku : 290,000,000

Android 20 : 260,000,000
-- post Vegeta's blast : 280,000,000
-- post supp. piccolo : 310,000,000

SSJ Vegeta : 480,000,000
SSJ future Trunks : 427,000,000

Android 18 : 650,000,000
Android 17 : 740,000,000

Piccolo (post kami) : 740,000,000
--- with weights : 667,000,000

Imperfect Cell (initially) : 530,000,000

Imperfect Cell (post absorptions) : 1,480,000,000
Android #16 : 1,480,000,000

Semi Cell (initially) : 3,000,000,000
--- FP : 3,600,000,000

SSJ Vegeta (post RoSaT) : 3,375,000,000
--- SSJG2 : 5,400,000,000

SSJ future Trunks : 3,200,000,000
-- SSJG2 : 5,120,000,000

Perfect Cell (initially) : 4,800,000,000
-- spanking Vegeta : 11,000,000,000

Future Trunks SSJG3 : 15,000,000,000
--- speed : 500,000,000
[10x boost for SSJg3 via El Manga Legendario]

Goku (mid RoSaT training)
-- SSJ : 740,000,000
-- SSJg2 : 1,185,000,000
-- SSJg3 : 3,500,000,000

"about 50%" MSSJ Goku : 11,000,000,000


--- Cell Games


Android #16 : 1,480,000,000

Piccolo : 11,000,000,000

SSJ Vegeta : 13,200,000,000
SSJ Future Trunks : 12,800,000,000
Cell Junior : 13,500,000,000

100% MSSJ Goku : 22,000,000,000
Perfect Cell [vs goku] : 24,200,000,000

MSSJ Gohan : 27,000,000,000
Cell (true speed) : 28,800,000,000

Cell (maximum power) : 45,000,000,000

SSJ2 Gohan (little rage boost on top) : 81,000,000,000
[SSJ2 amp is 2.5x to me, but Gohan got a 3x one due to a cherry on top rage boost]


Super Perfect Cell : 72,000,000,000

[2.5x his SSJ-like power, the multiplier I use for SSJ2. I see the power he used vs Goku and Gohan as his natural SSJ power... and his full power more or less a grade 2 kind of power, due to the similarities in the auras and the bulking up... tho his SSJ2-alike power up would multiply by 2.5x the power he has as a "SSJ"... which still leaves him a little behind Gohan due to this latter getting a moderate rage boost on top, not big rage boost but enough to be considered]


-- back to the future


Future 18 : 480,000,000
Future 17 : 540,000,000
-- less than half : 200,000,000

Future Gohan (1 arm)
--- SSJ : 220,000,000


Future Trunks (coming back) : 512,000,000
--- SSJ : 12,800,000,000

Post 3 years

Future Trunks : 640,000,000
--- SSJ : 16,000,000,000

Future Cell : 1,300,000,000

[SSJ multiplier reduced from 50x to 25x post mastering SSJ]

----- Boo saga


Mr. Satan : 7
Videl : 9
Spopovich : 12

Kuririn : 4,000,000

Pui Pui : 40,000,000

Android 18 : 650,000,000

Yakon : 1,440,000,000

Piccolo : 11,000,000,000

Goten : 500,000,000
-- SSJ : 12,500,000,000

Kid Trunks : 512,000,000
--- SSJ : 12,800,000,000

Gohan : 880,000,000
-- SSJ : 22,000,000,000
-- SSJ2 : 55,000,000,000
---> vs Dabra : 41,000,000,000
[Was in a transient state... Not quite a SSJ2, but halfway there to tap such power]

Vegeta : 1,152,000,000
-- SSJ : 28,800,000,000
-- SSJ2 : 72,000,000,000

Goku : 1,480,000,000
-- SSJ : 37,000,000,000
-- SSJ2 : 92,500,000,000

Majin Vegeta SSJ2 : 90,000,000,000

Shin : 20,000,000,000

Dabura : 45,000,000,000

Fat Boo (initially) : 60,000,000,000
--- angry : 110,000,000,000
--- super angry vs Vegeta : 200,000,000,000
--- full power : 300,000,000,000

SSJ3 Goku : 370,000,000,000

Base Gotenks (pre RoSaT) : 45,000,000,000
--- SSJ : 450,000,000,000


[SSJ decreased from 25x to 10x for fusions. SSJ2 is 2x instead of 2.5x and SSJ3 remains the same... Basically my theory that the stronger the warrior get and the closer they're to their full potential, more their base states get close to their SSJ until they reach a final state, akin to Ultimate Gohan, in which all their transformations are stocked into their base powers, no longer having the need to transform to bring forth such power. Gohan was seen as the Ultimate Warrior and went through to the final evolutionary state of Saiyans... So when you get to a limit yourself, the training is moreso ditected to access all that power without the need to transform... Goku in the end of Z for example, was already pretty close to that... Assuming his SSJ3 was already nearing his limits, his base state would be already way closer to his higher up states, to the point he was already in the stage to have his base power access all the power bestowed by the transformations]

Post RoSaT

Kid Trunks : 700,000,000
--- SSJ : 14,000,000,000
Goten : 680,000,000
--- SSJ : 13,675,000,000

Super Boo (initially) : 900,000,000,000

Base Gotenks : 100,000,000,000
--- SSJ : 1,000,000,000,000
--- SSJ2 : 2,000,000,000,000
--- SSJ3 : 8,000,000,000,000

[SSJ2 is 2x for fusions... SSJ3 stays the same]

Super Boo (FP) : 8,000,000,000,000

Ultimate Gohan : 12,000,000,000,000

Tenshinhan : 3,500,000

Boo-Gotenks : 16,000,000,000,000
Boo-Gohan : 20,000,000,000,000

Vegetto : 4,000,000,000,000
--- SSJ : 40,000,000,000,000


Buff Boo : 10,000,000,000,000
Kid Boo : 360,000,000,000

SSJ3 Goku : 360,000,000,000
SSJ2 Vegeta : 90,000,000,000

Mr. Boo : 300,000,000,000

Kibitoshin : 70,000,000,000



10 years later


Piccolo : 13,000,000,000

Goten : 700,000,000
--- SSJ : 14,000,000,000
Trunks: 720,000,000
--- SSJ : 14,400,000,000

Mr. Boo : 300,000,000,000

Oob (enraged) : 360,000,000,000
Goku : 350,000,000,000
Vegeta : 300,000,000,000

SSJ Goku : 875,000,000
SSJ2 Goku : 1,750,000,000,000
SSJ3 Goku : 7,000,000,000,000

[That would be Goku's ultimate limit... With his base state already approaching his SSJs states a lot... And so the training would be bringing his base state to the 7,000,000,000,000 PL, while his transformed states have already brought out all he could achieve in his life training]

SSJ Vegeta : 750,000,000,000
SSJ2 Vegeta : 1,500,000,000,000

[Also Vegeta's utmost limit... With his upcoming training being bringing his base to his SSJ2 power, reaching the final stage Saiyans evolution]

They bridged the gap a lot, specially Goku, who was pretty close to SSJ3 Gotenks and Super Boo, but still couldn't be quite on their level, nor Ultimate Gohan's, due to the potential of fusion and Gohan's, as plateaus not accessible to Goku for more that he trained. Still, reached an impressive, huge power all on his own, not depending of anything like power unlock.

 

[Kyo]

nice strikethrough

 

[Fantastische Hure]

So are you like...dying?

 

[Kyo]

This is his parting gift to us all. We'll remember him fondly.

 

[ahill1]

So are you like...dying?

Perhaps. I'm preparing some gift so you guys remember me if I pass

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Perhaps. I'm preparing some gift so you guys remember me if I pass

No, but really, did you just decide this is it for level lists or db8ing as a whole?

 

[ahill1]

Nah, just decided to add one more list since I have the week off and tried to make the introduction a little bit cool

 

[Fantastische Hure]

just a-bit over-dramatic but I’ll take it

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

If you’re going with SSJ2 = 2.5x you might as well just make it a 2x.

SSJ Gohan: 100
~ SSJ2 (Enraged): 270

Cell: 110
~ Full power: 150
~ Zenkai: 200

 

[ahill1]

It's because I like to have its boost the same as grade 3's boost, as if the SSJ2 were the right way to access that type of power... and a SSJG3 is a 2.5x minimal to me given it has to be considerably above the Cell who can kick Trunks's SSJg2 ass easily, when SSJG2 is already a good deal above SSJ.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Fair enough, but I think SSJG3 can be > SSJ2. It’s a massive, but pointless boost.

 

[ahill1]

Can be. Since it's a boost that focus solely on power, I'm not against it being a huge boost like 10x stated in the Mango Legendario. It's a pointless state, so however strong it may be, it hasn't much relevance.

 

[FeatsofPower]

SSJ Trunks : 200,000,000
SSJ Goku : 220,000,000

How strong is Expected Goku? 210?

 

[ahill1]

Maybe about as strong as Trunks, so 200. Gohan stated he couldn't get to Goku's level and Trunks surpassed that level (though not by much). So maybe he was expecting someone = him and got a Goku decently above him (220 vs 200).

 

[FeatsofPower]

Can be. Since it's a boost that focus solely on power, I'm not against it being a huge boost like 10x stated in the Mango Legendario. It's a pointless state, so however strong it may be, it hasn't much relevance.

Well it shouldn't be stronger than Super Saiyan 3 I'd say.

 

[ahill1]

Well it shouldn't be stronger than Super Saiyan 3 I'd say.

So do you take El Manga Legendario statement or not? Or have a different multiplier for SSJ3?.

I don't follow guidebooks multipliers btw, only the SSJ3 that I do. Otherwise, I have 2.5x for SSJ2, 10x for SSJ post MSSJ being a thing and 3x for grade 3 (off SSJ). SSJG2 would be 1.4x SSJ, more or less.

 

[FeatsofPower]

So do you take El Manga Legendario statement or not? Or have a different multiplier for SSJ3?.

It's something to consider. Super Saiyan 3 is definitely suggested to be a large multiplier in Super for sure.

Do you really think Grade 3 Goku can tank Super Saiyan 3 Goku? Seems wrong, no?

 

[FeatsofPower]

3x for grade 3 (off SSJ). SSJG2 would be 1.4x SSJ, more or less.

This is absolute nonsense. You can't even get anything close to accurate for Goku's Grade 3 power versus Semi Cell by doing this. You'd have to make Goku 10x stronger which is nonsense.

 

[ahill1]

It's something to consider. Super Saiyan 3 is definitely suggested to be a large multiplier in Super for sure.

Do you really think Grade 3 Goku can tank Super Saiyan 3 Goku? Seems wrong, no?

Well yeah, I don't care about how strong someone's it. Because it's a state that focus solely on power but is ultimately useless for battle.

 

[ahill1]

This is absolute nonsense. You can't even get anything close to accurate for Goku's Grade 3 power versus Semi Cell by doing this. You'd have to make Goku 10x stronger which is nonsense.

Nah, a 1.6x boost would be enough

Goku SSJ 100
-- post time in rosat 166
-- SSJg2 233
-- SSJg3 500

Android 17 150

Android 16 250

Semi Cell (initially) : 420