BoGT Goku vs BoGT Gohan

[GSM123]

Who wins? I see a lot of people placing Gohan above Goku, myself included, but it just doesn’t feel right. Isn’t Goku supposed to be the strongest?

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

BoGT Adult Goku is far stronger than both of hos sons, they already fought in the Baby saga and Goku had the clear advantage.

 

[Animelover5487]

BoGT Adult Goku is far stronger than both of hos sons, they already fought in the Baby saga and Goku had the clear advantage.

To my understanding, Baby arc Goku is considerably stronger than he was at the start of GT.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

BoGT Adult Goku is far stronger than both of hos sons, they already fought in the Baby saga and Goku had the clear advantage.

To my understanding, Baby arc Goku is considerably stronger than he was at the start of GT.

He is post tail and SSJ4. Before that he's actually weaker than BoGT Goku on account of being a kid.

 

[GSM123]

Pretty sure Kid Goku being weaker than Adult is a myth, and so is Tail Goku > Tailess Goku.

 

[SSJ2]

If Gohan has access to SSJ this will be a complete stomp. I think SSJ3 Goku might be somewhere around his Base level of power, but that's not good enough to win considering the strain of the form.

 

[Six Trails]

Pretty sure Kid Goku being weaker than Adult is a myth, and so is Tail Goku > Tailess Goku.

This is correct. I think it was the GTPF that clarified Goku didn't lose any power when becoming a kid. And it was also clarified in the show that Goku's tail only improved his stamina, not his strength.

Gohan should win (in equal forms) as odd as it sounds. Just going by power scaling BoGT Goku can't be that strong. Goku might be able to beat Base Gohan with SS3.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

BoGT adult Goku isn't any weaker than the Goku in the baby saga.

 

[SSJ2]

Then explain why he needed SSJ to defeat Redjic but was capable of beating Base Rild while in Base.

 

[Pyro]

He was suppressed. It was to have more fun with the fight.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Then explain why he needed SSJ to defeat Redjic but was capable of beating Base Rild while in Base.

Rildo had 2+ transformations and also powered up while in his first form. While on top of already being stronger than Majin Buu and Gohan by comparison.

Goku also was suppressed before

 

[Captain Cadaver]

With SS2, Gohan should have the power to win when considering Trunks never refuted Pan saying Goku was the strongest on Earth, making SS3 Goku at least above whatever Gohan's max form at the time was. That's a bit difficult to work with numerically when we have Base Goku (M2) >> Mega Cannon Sigma > Level 3 Lood > BoGT SSJ Goku, but what the series suggests >> fanbased battle power lists in terms of relevant evidence.

 

[SSJ2]

He was suppressed. It was to have more fun with the fight.

Idk, he didn't look like he was having a blast when Redjic was trying to impale him. Furthermore, when Redjic taunted his power, Goku went straight to Super Saiyan instead of powering up in Base. If Goku was as strong as Gog is suggesting he'd be able to finger flick Redjic in Base. He wasn't even capable of one shotting him as a Super Saiyan.

 

[Six Trails]

Yeah I don't think Goku would go from suppressed base to suppressed Super Saiyan that's still under his full-power base. I know Pyro is trolling but I don't get what the point would be.

With SS3, Gohan should have the power to win when considering Trunks never refuted Pan saying Goku was the strongest on Earth, making SS3 Goku at least above whatever Gohan's max form at the time was. That's a bit difficult to work with numerically when we have Base Goku (M2) >> Mega Cannon Sigma > Level 3 Lood > BoGT SSJ Goku, but what the series suggests >> fanbased battle power lists in terms of relevant evidence.

Perhaps Trunks was unaware of Gohan's ability to transform again.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Could be, though that seems very questionable. Vegeta didn't show any surprise by it despite Trunks being closer to Gohan, so most likely either Gohan regained SSJ after Goku went into space or Trunks was aware of it.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

With SS3, Gohan should have the power to win when considering Trunks never refuted Pan saying Goku was the strongest on Earth, making SS3 Goku at least above whatever Gohan's max form at the time was. That's a bit difficult to work with numerically when we have Base Goku (M2) >> Mega Cannon Sigma > Level 3 Lood > BoGT SSJ Goku, but what the series suggests >> fanbased battle power lists in terms of relevant evidence.

GT erred on the power levels, Ledgic could have been also stronger than Buu - that seems to be the impression with hindsight in mind. But Goku never actually got stronger in the story until he got SSJ4.

 

[GSM123]

On Goku being suppressed, it actually sounds very likely given :toei's record. Didn't DBS Goku go SSJ when sparring with a rusty Gohan who'd be lucky to be in his early Boo Arc level?

It never made a lot of sense for me that Goku would be the strongest guy ever, but besides being below Gohan, his base power isn't that far from Trunks'...

Acknowledging Goku was suppressed would also make sense of the Rildo > Peak Majin Boo = Anime Pure Boo, I guess.

With SS3, Gohan should have the power to win when considering Trunks never refuted Pan saying Goku was the strongest on Earth, making SS3 Goku at least above whatever Gohan's max form at the time was. That's a bit difficult to work with numerically when we have Base Goku (M2) >> Mega Cannon Sigma > Level 3 Lood > BoGT SSJ Goku, but what the series suggests >> fanbased battle power lists in terms of relevant evidence.

But what if the battle power lists are the Captain's assortments?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

GT erred on the power levels, Ledgic could have been also stronger than Buu - that seems to be the impression with hindsight in mind.

If that were the case, Goku would have pointed it out rather than waiting until Rild to make that statement.

But Goku never actually got stronger in the story until he got SSJ4.

The Mega Cannon Sigma explicitly say the strength Goku had wasn't in the data after having seen Goku's performance against Redjic and Lood. As Curtis already said, there'd be no need to go SSJ in either situation if Goku could output more power in base. Moreover, you have Base Goku's later feats of his base form going from clearly far below his SS4 self to not leagues behind it during the Evil Dragon Arc or his gains in SSJ prior to it in the S17 Arc, so there's no reason to believe that wasn't the case prior to Baby; especially when the Baby Arc constantly has characters make statements about how great Saiya Power is.

But what if the battle power lists are the Captain's assortments?

Still , but slightly less so maybe .

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

If that were the case, Goku would have pointed it out rather than waiting until Rild to make that statement.

There's no implication given up to that point that Goku had any gains in power. I wish it could be explained as such, bit its just a :toei ism

The Mega Cannon Sigma explicitly say the strength Goku had wasn't in the data after having seen Goku's performance against Redjic and Lood.

Because Goku just powered up against him, the implication of the show is that Goku never really powered up against anyone else beforehand. Even Ledgic, even though it makes no sense.

 

[GSM123]

Still , but slightly less so maybe .

Incoming 3,500+ words essay about how you were gaslight into making them?