Boo saga Goten and Trunks ~ CGs Trunks and Vegeta

[ahill1]

Vegeta's statement implies he does know that 17 can see from within Cell. The burden of proof is on you to prove Vegeta does not know.


This is an illogical point. He literally says "same strength". Then goes on to show strength on par with a Cell Jr. I mean, I don't know what more the author could have done to make his point.


And the Cell Jrs are clearly toying.


Vegeta literally says the same strength.


He got into a specific power statement. He directly said Kid Trunks is the same strength as Future Trunks. It could not be any clearer about the strength of Kid Trunks.


Yes, 17 makes this remark himself to 18 prior to ToP I believe. So Vegeta could have gotten the information from 18 as well as 17.


Vegeta implies he saw his power, not sensed it. 17 can see the power of everyone accurately is what is implied by the story.


That was just sparring. Piccolo and Gohan could hold their own against Goku in sparring for the Androids. Sparring and real fighting are two different worlds.

Well, the burden of proof is actually on you to prove Vegeta knew 17 was awake seeing everything when Cell absorbed him. Goku didn't know that.

Cell Juniors were laughing. You can attack at FP while laughing.

In a way to convince 17 Trunks was fit to defend the island against poachers. He doesn't need anything but a over general statement that also puts his son as very capable of that. He doesn't need to say Trunks is even stronger when the overall message was that he was strong too and up for the task.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Yes, but did Vegeta know that?

It's an interesting question that we may not have the answer for. But not having an answer for that question does not invalidate Vegeta's statement. The burden of proof is on the side of the argument that Vegeta CANNOT know this, whereas the implication is that he already does.

So until you can prove that Vegeta's claim would fall into an unknowable state, you must accept that it is knowable to Vegeta.

 

[ahill1]

It's an interesting question that we may not have the answer for. But not having an answer for that question does not invalidate Vegeta's statement. The burden of proof is on the side of the argument that Vegeta CANNOT know this, whereas the implication is that he already does.

So until you can prove that Vegeta's claim would fall into an unknowable state, you must accept that it is knowable to Vegeta.

No. You prove Vegeta knows that when we didn't see him being informed by anyone and Goku needed to be informed by that by 17. Burden of proof is on you.

 

[MikaelHarding]

What Is it TBTC?

HBTC is what I mean

 

[SIAD]

HBTC is what I mean

HBTC means Rosat.

@MikaelHarding By the way, what do you think of Vegeta's words in Chapter 42 of DBS Manga? Vegeta told Android #17 that Trunks is just as powerful as Future Trunks.

Does that mean that Trunks SSJ (Chapter 42 of the Manga) = Future Trunks SSJ (CG)?

 

[Power Level Guy]

No. You prove Vegeta knows that when we didn't see him being informed by anyone and Goku needed to be informed by that by 17. Burden of proof is on you.

Absolutely not. Vegeta implies he knows something that we didn't witness, which means it happened off screen and we didn't see it.

Goku says that he told Majin Buu that someone stronger would come to fight him despite us not seeing it, it still occurred off screen.

The standard you are applying here would render all facts in this universe null and void unless we were there to witness it. This is an unrealistic standard to hold.

 

[MikaelHarding]

HBTC means Rosat.

@MikaelHarding By the way, what do you think of Vegeta's words in Chapter 42 of DBS Manga? Vegeta told Android #17 that Trunks is just as powerful as Future Trunks.

Does that mean that Trunks SSJ (Chapter 42 of the Manga) = Future Trunks SSJ (CG)?

he could be over exaggerating about that

 

[SIAD]

he could be over exaggerating about that

@MikaelHarding Exaggerating in what sense? Who is stronger, Trunks SSJ (Chapter 42 of the DBS Manga) or Future Trunks SSJ (CG)?

 

[Power Level Guy]

he could be over exaggerating about that

Do you have any evidence for that claim?

 

[ahill1]

Absolutely not. Vegeta implies he knows something that we didn't witness, which means it happened off screen and we didn't see it.

Goku says that he told Majin Buu that someone stronger would come to fight him despite us not seeing it, it still occurred off screen.

The standard you are applying here would render all facts in this universe null and void unless we were there to witness it. This is an unrealistic standard to hold.

You have nothing to base off this happening off screen. It wasn't shown. It just amounts to speculation without basis.

 

[Hector]

Then Kid Trunks is closer to Vegeta than Zarbon was to Vegeta.

No. Vegeta was just standing there trying to dodge; he wasn't doing anything else. But in terms of speed, he had no reason to hold back.

 

[Power Level Guy]

No. Vegeta was just standing there trying to dodge; he wasn't doing anything else.

He performed the same feat with Zarbon.

But in terms of speed, he had no reason to hold back.

Perhaps when a real fight happens fighters fight at a much higher capacity when it’s real.

 

[Power Level Guy]

You have nothing to base off this happening off screen. It wasn't shown. It just amounts to speculation without basis.

Then where do we see Vegeta being informed that 17 and 18 can see through Cell?

 

[ahill1]

Then where do we see Vegeta being informed that 17 and 18 can see through Cell?

We don't.

 

[Power Level Guy]

We don't.

Exactly, so it must have happened off screen or else Vegeta is a liar.

 

[ahill1]

No, you assume it must have happened. Big difference.

 

[Power Level Guy]

No, you assume it must have happened. Big difference.

I’m making a reasonable assumption. One that you make all the time to properly comprehend the story in the way we are intended to.

 

[ahill1]

I’m making a reasonable assumption. One that you make all the time to properly comprehend the story in the way we are intended to.

So am I.

 

[Power Level Guy]

So am I.

No, you aren’t being consistent with your assumptions.

Did Goku tell Majin Buu that someone stronger will fights him in 2 days?

 

[Father]

Yes, but did Vegeta know that?

He told Goku fanbuddy,
and Goku and Vegeta are frens too
so they tell each other errything huehuehue