Their reactions to Super Saiyan Vegeta when his latent power is drawn out seems to go against this idea.
Vegeta claims to have the same superiority in all forms. I'd gather than transformation boosts should be applied the same for everyone. But I get it, they aren't anywhere as explicit about the lower forms as they are the higher forms.
1. They were shocked because of the M on his head. Did anyone say his power had increased? Goku had to fight him as an SSJ2 to notice that.
Babidi releases Vegeta's latent power before they notice the M on his head.
Their reactions tell us that something had changed. They were relatively calm until Vegeta released all of his latent power.
No, Goku did not expect Vegeta to have Super Saiyan 2. The reason Goku decided to use Super Saiyan 2 in the first place is because Super Saiyan Majin Vegeta is his equal, if Vegeta didn't showcase his latent power, Goku could have easily defeated Super Saiyan Majin Vegeta in his Super Saiyan form.
I agree with that, but only slightly.
During the fight, Goku supposed Vegeta was so strong because he had trained harder than him, and Vegeta explained that he would have never caught up without the majin charm.
Exactly, Goku has no idea that Vegeta's latent power being released is the majin charm. He thinks it's just Vegeta hitting his full power. But what's really happening is Vegeta exerting his full power, then the Majin charm releasing his latent power. Goku does not know where Vegeta's extra power is coming from, so he assumes it is just Vegeta's full power.
I'm not even sure where you disagree anymore.
I'm explaining to you why there are clear differences between Super Saiyan Goku, Super Saiyan Vegeta, and Super Saiyan Gohan.
I don't believe Gohan was SSJ1 against Dabura, and it was never mentioned whether SSJ Vegeta was weaker than SSJ Goku. Vegeta realized he didn't stand a chance only when he saw Goku's SSJ2 against Yakon.
He is. He is drawn as a Super Saiyan. His aura is clearly not Super Saiyan 2.
It is directly implied when Super Saiyan Vegeta's latent power is released, showcasing a large power up occurring.
It's more than that. Vegeta assumed if there was any difference between he and Goku, his Super Saiyan 2 would allow him to be victorious. What Vegeta notices is that not only is Goku stronger, but he also has Super Saiyan 2 as well. Which is why Vegeta gets mad at Goku, he thought he at least had that advantage.
Each of them thinks it's easy work because he knows himself he has SSJ2.
That was not a power-up -- just Vegeta being brainwashed -- that was why everyone was shocked.
That's just your own interpretation of the statements.
No, if Super Saiyan 2 was required to defeat Dabura, then Goku and Vegeta wouldn't be surprised the other had Super Saiyan 2. Which clarifies that they were speaking about Super Saiyan being enough to clown Dabura.
It's a clear power-up. They already witnessed him being overtaken, his sudden release of latent power coinciding with Babidi stating it is a clear power up. Remember, Super Saiyan Majin Vegeta is equal with Super Saiyan Goku. This is not possible without the Majin power-up.
It's the only interpretation that works with the story.
1. Goku knew he had SSJ2, so he wasn't scared of Dabura. Vegeta knew he had SSJ2, so he wasn't scared of Dabura. Neither of them knew the other had SSJ2.
You are missing what I'm saying. If Super Saiyan 2 is required to defeat Dabura, why is Goku shocked to find out Vegeta has Super Saiyan 2? Why is Vegeta shocked to find out Goku has Super Saiyan 2? If Super Saiyan 2 was required to defeat Dabura, they'd already know each other had Super Saiyan 2. Since they do not, we can conclude that their confidence over Dabura also extends to their Super Saiyan forms.
Goku not knowing where Vegeta's increase came from does not mean the increase didn't happen. It just means Goku did not know where the increase came from, Goku assumes it's just Vegeta's regular power.
Then how do you prove the increase affected his Base/SSJ?
First I proved that Gohan was a Super Saiyan. Then the quotes associated to Gohan when he's fighting Dabura are about Super Saiyan, not Super Saiyan 2, in which Vegeta and Goku both confirm Super Saiyan Kid Gohan > Super Saiyan Teen Gohan.
Why would it only translate to his Super Saiyan 2 form? That's not how transformations work.
It allowed him to tap deeper into the SSJ2 boost.
Which Cell do you compare Dabura to?
Dabura is comparable to the Cell that was a step or two ahead of Goku. That’s the only Cell that works with the narrative.
Goku would have been more specific then. He obviously means FP Cell.
