Buuhan, goku, and gogeta

[Ssj3Gogeta96]

I need someone to clear some things up.

Buuhan knows that the individuals getting a little stronger can make the fusion a lot stronger. So why does he think gogeta won't be that much stronger than gotenks? Doesnt make sense

Maybe you'll say that fusion increase is all plot and it's random. Well... That makes it even weirder. How is he supposed to know then? If it's a random boost then goku was only sure about pre rosat gotenks because there's probably a minimum. Gotenks was at the very least going to be strong enough to beat buu

It just seems like he's being overconfident when he says even if they were to fuse they couldn't beat him. He has only gotenks to base his prediction on and going by him, gogeta should be destroy buuhan

On to goku now. He tells vegeta when he's trying to get him to put the potara earring on that its the only way to beat him. I don't think this is proof gogeta can't beat buuhan. Since fusion is much stronger when the individuals are a little stronger, gogeta should be really strong. Or maybe it is a random boost and goku didn't want to risk fusing and not being strong enough. So I think he was just telling vegeta this because he either didn't know what exactly to expect from gogeta or he was just trying to get vegeta to just put the dam earring on and knew gogeta would actually be enough. Or maybe it was both, that he wanted him to just put the earring on and he didn't know if gogeta would be enough. That just means gogeta's power is unknown and the most we know is that vegito is stronger only because potara is stated to be stronger

 

[Six Trails]

"Overconfidence" comes off to me as a copout, not to be rude.

The only explanation you need is plot. Goku is shown to accurately estimate pre-RoSaT Gotenks' power, as no one contradicts his claim. If Goku can make an accurate prediction about a fused fighter's strength, I'd like to think Boo with the added knowledge of Goten, Trunks, Piccolo and Gohan could.

 

[Pyro]

You know what they say. If it makes a beloved character weak, it doesn't count, but if it makes a beloved character strong, it's the only thing that matters.

 

[Ssj3Gogeta96]

You guys are missing the point. HOW are they predicting gogeta if it's a random boost? They shouldn't be able to. Having all their knowledge doesn't mean anything

 

[Pyro]

You guys are missing the point. HOW are they predicting gogeta if it's a random boost? They shouldn't be able to. Having all their knowledge doesn't mean anything

It's not exactly random if Goku could predict Gotenks.

 

[SSJ2]

You guys are missing the point. HOW are they predicting gogeta if it's a random boost? They shouldn't be able to. Having all their knowledge doesn't mean anything

Your point about Gotenks gaining a lot while the kids individually did not is easy to explain. Training while fused greatly improves the fusion, but has no massive effect on the individual.

 

[Pyro]

You guys are missing the point. HOW are they predicting gogeta if it's a random boost? They shouldn't be able to. Having all their knowledge doesn't mean anything

Your point about Gotenks gaining a lot while the kids individually did not is easy to explain. Training while fused greatly improves the fusion, but has no massive effect on the individual.

So does the power disappear when they defuse?

 

[SSJ2]

You guys are missing the point. HOW are they predicting gogeta if it's a random boost? They shouldn't be able to. Having all their knowledge doesn't mean anything

Your point about Gotenks gaining a lot while the kids individually did not is easy to explain. Training while fused greatly improves the fusion, but has no massive effect on the individual.

So does the power disappear when they defuse?

For the individuals? No, they keep some of it I guess, just nothing substantial. They still trained, it just was not with their own body.

If you mean for the fused being... no. Gotenks never got weaker after defusing for the first time post rosat.

 

[Papasmurf]

I get the feeling that Gogeta can defeat base Super Boo but not Gohan-Boo, honestly.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I get the feeling that Gogeta can defeat base Super Boo but not Gohan-Boo, honestly.

Gogeta can definitely beat Base Boo, stated by Goku.

 

[Six Trails]

You guys are missing the point. HOW are they predicting gogeta if it's a random boost? They shouldn't be able to. Having all their knowledge doesn't mean anything

Plot knowledge. I don't see a reason to complicate it more than that.

 

[p123]

Well I think it's likely that Super Saiyan Gokhan ( Metamoran ) would easily beat Buutenks.

 

[SSJ2]

Why's that? I don't see why he'd be any different to Gogeta.

 

[p123]

Goku tells Elder Kaioshin he thinks he would definitely win if he fuses with Gohan. This is prior to the mentioning of potara.

 

[FutureProtagonist]

It's possible he was planning on using Super Saiyan 3 before fusing. It would make sense with Gohan being so strong.

But that raises the question why he wanted to use regular Super Saiyan with the potara, though "Super Saiyan" can be a bit of a general term at times (Gohan refers to himself as Super Saiyan before fighting Kibito).

 

[p123]

This is true. Either way, Metamoran Gokhan is a good deal superior to Buutenks.

So what's the next step? Is Gogeta = Gohkan or what?

 

[Papasmurf]

Depends whether or not the suppressed party still contributes their power. Wasn't an issue with Gotenks as Trunks is hardly any stronger than Goten, but Gohan is far above Goku. I don't think it matters in the case with Vegeta and Goku however since the only major difference between them is SSJ3.

 

[p123]

Kenshi, is there a difference between these two fusions?


Base Goten / Trunks that fuse directly into SSJ3 Gotenks the second time vs Super Buu...

Or is Goten and Trunks learned how to transform into SSJ2 and SSJ3, while still maintaining their same base / SSJ power and transformed as SSJ3s?

 

[SSJ2]

This is true. Either way, Metamoran Gokhan is a good deal superior to Buutenks.

So what's the next step? Is Gogeta = Gohkan or what?

I'd say yes. I think there is a reason why you have to suppress to an equal level to fuse, and that's one of the major restrictions of the Metamoran fusion type.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

I need someone to clear some things up.

Buuhan knows that the individuals getting a little stronger can make the fusion a lot stronger. So why does he think gogeta won't be that much stronger than gotenks? Doesnt make sense

Maybe you'll say that fusion increase is all plot and it's random. Well... That makes it even weirder. How is he supposed to know then? If it's a random boost then goku was only sure about pre rosat gotenks because there's probably a minimum. Gotenks was at the very least going to be strong enough to beat buu

It just seems like he's being overconfident when he says even if they were to fuse they couldn't beat him. He has only gotenks to base his prediction on and going by him, gogeta should be destroy buuhan

On to goku now. He tells vegeta when he's trying to get him to put the potara earring on that its the only way to beat him. I don't think this is proof gogeta can't beat buuhan. Since fusion is much stronger when the individuals are a little stronger, gogeta should be really strong. Or maybe it is a random boost and goku didn't want to risk fusing and not being strong enough. So I think he was just telling vegeta this because he either didn't know what exactly to expect from gogeta or he was just trying to get vegeta to just put the dam earring on and knew gogeta would actually be enough. Or maybe it was both, that he wanted him to just put the earring on and he didn't know if gogeta would be enough. That just means gogeta's power is unknown and the most we know is that vegito is stronger only because potara is stated to be stronger

The answer to your questions is simple: Neither Buuhan nor Goku were sitting with a calculator in their hand
mulling things over.