Can 3 million work if full power 2nd form Freeza is 1 million?

[freezamite]

And how is that "bunk" when Freezer himself says it? I mean, what feat contradicts what Freezer said about his strength exactly? I'm legit curious.

He says his power is over a million when he transforms, and then he powers up two more times. The OP is suggesting that his full power is only 1,000,000. Please pay attention to the thread and my post more carefully next time.

And he also said that his power was 530.000 when he was fighting Nail with just a fraction of his strength.
The OP suggests that 2nd Form (3rd Form as I count them) Freezer's full power is barely above a million which is something I agree with (in fact, that's why the OP has made that thread) and considering that Freezer never undersells his strength (in Namek, at least) I'm wondering why would he suddenly speak of a suppressed strength that would only make him look weaker.
So, as you can see, I've payed attention, and I think Freezer did the same that he did in the rest of the series, to explain his power to his enemies to terrorise them and demonstrate how superior he really is even if he wasn't using it all.

 

[Six Trails]

And he also said that his power was 530.000 when he was fighting with Nail with just a fraction of his strength.
The OP suggests that 2nd Form (3rd Form as I count them) Freezer's full power is barely above a million which is something I agree with (in fact, that's why the OP has made that thread) and considering that Freezer never undersells his strength ever (in Namek, at least) I'm wondering why would he suddenly speak of a suppressed strength that would only make him look weaker.
So, as you can see, I've payed attention.

When he fights Nail, he specifies that 530,000 is his full power but he won't use it all. When he first transforms, he only says that if his power were to be put into battle power it would surely be over 1,000,000. If anything, that refers to his suppressed strength because he doesn't specify that it's his full power that he's not using like he did against Nail. No underselling here.

 

[freezamite]

When he fights Nail, he specifies that 530,000 is his full power but he won't use it all. When he first transforms, he only says that if his power were to be put into battle power it would surely be over 1,000,000. If anything, that refers to his suppressed strength because he doesn't specify that it's his full power that he's not using like he did against Nail. No underselling here.

The second thing Freezer says in his 2nd (3rd) form after explaining that his power is above 1 million is something like "this is something even a saiyan could do" regarding his attack, which obviously mean that he wasn't fighting with all his strength.
And the 3rd thing he says is more or less the same in different words (he says something like "I can't properly control my power not to kill you in that form, hehehehe") which also means that he was controlling it to a degree.

So, against Nail "My power is 530k" and "I won't use it all against you".
Against the z-warriors "My power is above 1 million" and "Even a saiyan could do that" and "I have problems controlling my strength not to kill you heheheheh" which also means that he is obviously not fighting with all his strength.

It's the exact same scenario, but because of reasons I presume are impossible to explain in one case Freezer speaks about his maximum strength and in the other one he speaks about a suppressed power that would only make him look weaker than he really was if he could reach close to 2 millions of strength in that form.
He surely had a personality change, don't you think?

By the way, if that 1 million + of strength was the power he was currently using, why would he say that "this is something a saiyan could do"? Do you really think Freezer thought a saiyan (not even Vegeta specifically, but just "a saiyan") could have a power of 1 million +?

 

[Kaguyathetroll]

When he fights Nail, he specifies that 530,000 is his full power but he won't use it all. When he first transforms, he only says that if his power were to be put into battle power it would surely be over 1,000,000. If anything, that refers to his suppressed strength because he doesn't specify that it's his full power that he's not using like he did against Nail. No underselling here.

The second thing Freezer says in his 2nd (3rd) form after explaining that his power is above 1 million is something like "this is something even a saiyan could do" regarding his attack, which obviously mean that he wasn't fighting with all his strength.
And the 3rd thing he says is more or less the same in different words (he says something like "I can't properly control my power not to kill you in that form, hehehehe") which also means that he was controlling it to a degree.

So, against Nail "My power is 530k" and "I won't use it all against you".
Against the z-warriors "My power is above 1 million" and "Even a saiyan could do that" and "I have problems controlling my strength not to kill you heheheheh" which also means that he is obviously not fighting with all his strength.

It's the exact same scenario, but because of reasons I presume are impossible to explain in one case Freezer speaks about his maximum strength and in the other one he speaks about a suppressed power that would only make him look weaker than he really was if he could reach close to 2 millions of strength in that form.
He surely had a personality change, don't you think?

By the way, if that 1 million + of strength was the power he was currently using, why would he say that "this is something a saiyan could do"? Do you really think Freezer thought a saiyan (not even Vegeta specifically, but just "a saiyan") could have a power of 1 million +?

Man,your paragraphs are a bit too long,like.....

goku would beat gotenks not saying gotenks weak but goku would win he was toying wit fat buu punching him around you could actually see his was hitting him soft when he was holding his horn punching him around like oh shoot be careful nice and easy dont wanna kill him by accident goku said it himself he coulda beat fat buu he literally said that forsure and he said he wanted to hold him off until trunks get the scouter so he was toying wasting time like said he didnt want to destroy buu he wanted to leave that to gotenks its a fact and he was getting the better of kid buu he even said he coulda destroyed kid buu too if he hadnt let the fight go on so long and he started to tire out and kid buu would destroy ss3 gotenks he was too monsterous too much stamina for gotenks he woulda start to tire and lose goku even knew kid buu could beat ss3 gotenks and ultimate gohan remember vegeta said i get it you wanna have gotenks and gohan help us fight him he said no cause itll be no use even if they was to beat on kid buu theyll eventually lose cause theyll start to tire kid buu had unlimited energy and stamina we know for fact cause since fighting ss2 vegeta and ss3 goku a long while he still was fighting 100% just like the beggining while goku and vegeta started to tire out just like against huredigarn that explained it all too ultimate gohan and gotenks was no match 4 the dragon while ss3 goku defeated him with ease too i know people be like ah that dont mean nothing that obviously means goku stronger then them listen to this its like saying goku and them couldnt beat an enemy but chiaotzu can we all know dam well chiaotzu not stronger then goku so he definately couldnt beat the enemy if goku couldnt right, right or wrong its always the stronger person who beat the stronger enemies right right or wrong yall know im telling the truth rather you disagreed with me and another example think about every saga ever in dragon ball history and z and gt and even bog when did they ever ever been like woah we cant beat him nomatter what we do not even the strongest z fighter then somebody weaker came along and finished the enemy off never right ever like another example who finished off frieza on namek goku right the strongest of em all gohan couldnt obviously do it because he wasnt strong enough just like against hirudergarn and who the only one who was able to defeat hirudergarn goku again because just like frieza saga he was strongest it only make sense he the strongest again since only him and not ss3 gotenks or vegeta was able to do it so obviously what they not stronger then goku and this definately make sense goku couldnt beat him ssj2 he was getting clocked and yeah ssj2 goku cant beat ss3 gotenks and ultimate gohan but until he turned ss3 he was toying with hirudergarn then it only make sense its like comparing goku and vegeta against super buu ultimate gohan absorbed and super vegeto who was able to destroy him super vegeto right and not goku & vegeta together yall know why because obviously super vegeto stronger then them did it happen like that like aw goku & vegeta is weaker then super vegeto so only they can beat super buu ultimate gohan absorbed right nope just like ss3 goku if he was weaker then ss3 gotenks and ultimate gohan he definately wouldnt be able to defeat hirudergargn right right or wrong for example vegeta wasnt able to defeat him why because he is weaker then ss3 gotenks & ultimate gohan and since they couldnt defeat him guess what vegeta couldnt either because why because he was weaker then them right make sense right its not like ss3 goku loss to the ones they can beat for example gotenks and ultimate gohan seem to beat super buu whos to say ss3 goku cant even though goku said inside buu like my boy told me because he still had people inside he wouldnt of been regular super buu and him even super buu gotenks absorbed can what can still beat ss3 gotenks and ultimate gohan too so whats the difference they gotta be able to beat somebody ss3 goku cant in order to be stronger then him and they cant ss3 goku can beat super buu too no difference if he could beat kid buu who is much stronger then regular super buu goku even said it remember he said its strange even though we took everybody out his power keeps going up instead of decreasing that say it it keep going up so kid buu is far stronger then regular super buu and goku said he coulda even beat kid buu if he didnt let the fight go on too long ss3 goku powers is crazy as hell the only buus he cant actually beat was super buu ss3 gotenks absorbed and super buu ultimate gohan absorbed which ss3 gotenks and ultimate gohan cant beat either why because they not stronger then him he was far beyond kid buu then they couldnt beat somebody ss3 goku couldnt but ss3 goku was able to beat somebody ss3 gotenks & ultimate gohan couldnt so that proves nobody stronger then ss3 goku except super buu gotenks & ultimate gohan absorbed & super vegeto thats it and super janemba & super gogeta & beerus & whis if you wanna add them but them 4 dont count cause they wasnt around then so only them 3 characters was stronger then ss3 goku its been proved





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[ahill1]

I could make it work better, but like Mikey said 2nd form Freeza full power being only 1 million is incorrect.

 

[ChulpaBatman]

Easily. People assume that 2nd Form Freeza initially is 1,000,000. When in reality he said the last time he checked was the form was 1,000,000. That could honestly be the max power of the form also. Only people being stubborn prevents that from being true. People are to wrapped in BS power gaps that were never actually followed even when introduced. Its best to just find a happy medium and make a few assumptions here and there.

1st Form Freeza:
Freeza Initial: 250,000
Freeza powered up: 460,000
Freeza 1st Form: 530,000

2nd Form Freeza:
Initial Freeza: 900,000
Powered up: 1,060,000
Full Power: 1,200,000

3rd Form Freeza:
Full Power: 1,650,000

Final Form Freeza:
Initial: 2,300,000
Powered up: 3,300,000
50% Power: 60,000,000
70% Power: 84,000,000
100% Full Power: 120,000,000
Post Nova Strike: 105,000,000
Worn down: 85,000,000


Goku:
Base: 3,000,000
Kaioken x10: 30,000,000
Goku losing power: 2,500,000
Kaioken x20: 50,000,000 Kamehameha: 75,000,000
Spirit Bomb: 100,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku: 150,000,000
Post Nova Strike: 120,000,000
End of Fight: 115,000,000


Vegeta:
Post Zenkai: 450,000
Post 2nd Zenkai: 2,400,000

Piccolo:
Weighted Piccolo: 1,100,000
Unweighted Piccolo: 1,300,000

Gohan:
Base: 300,000
Enraged: 750,000
Post Zenkai: 400,000
Enraged Maskeno: 1,500,000

Krillin:
Full Power: 260,000

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Vegeta:
Post Zenkai: 450,000

Gohan:
Base: 300,000


Krillin:
Full Power: 260,000

You know, these numbers do baffle me. By Vegeta's own statement if the three of these fools teamed up against me in my first form they would have been capable of winning, however by your numbers I would have crushed them with a single blow.

 

[ChulpaBatman]

Vegeta:
Post Zenkai: 450,000

Gohan:
Base: 300,000


Krillin:
Full Power: 260,000

You know, these numbers do baffle me. By Vegeta's own statement if the three of these fools teamed up against me in my first form they would have been capable of winning, however by your numbers I would have crushed them with a single blow.

Vegeta alone would be able to keep pace with Freeza. He would be a disadvantage but able to hold his own. Gohan and Krillin would be able to provide support with energy attacks or with off guard attacks. It would more than be enough to beat out Freeza.

 

[ChulpaBatman]

Vegeta:
Post Zenkai: 450,000

Gohan:
Base: 300,000


Krillin:
Full Power: 260,000

You know, these numbers do baffle me. By Vegeta's own statement if the three of these fools teamed up against me in my first form they would have been capable of winning, however by your numbers I would have crushed them with a single blow.

Vegeta alone would be able to keep pace with Freeza. It is a 15% gap. He would be a disadvantage but able to hold his own. Gohan and Krillin would be able to provide support with energy attacks or with off guard attacks. It would more than be enough to beat out Freeza.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Vegeta:
Post Zenkai: 450,000

Gohan:
Base: 300,000


Krillin:
Full Power: 260,000

You know, these numbers do baffle me. By Vegeta's own statement if the three of these fools teamed up against me in my first form they would have been capable of winning, however by your numbers I would have crushed them with a single blow.

Vegeta alone would be able to keep pace with Freeza. He would be a disadvantage but able to hold his own. Gohan and Krillin would be able to provide support with energy attacks or with off guard attacks. It would more than be enough to beat out Freeza.

If that were the case then, you would have to bump the monkey up, at the current you've put him at I would have effortlessly crushed the fool with a few strikes.

 

[freezamite]

I could make it work better, but like Mikey said 2nd form Freeza full power being only 1 million is incorrect.

But Mikey has disappeared from the discussion as soon as I asked him why in front of two identical sentences, one should be interpreted as "this is my maximum strength" and the other as "this is my current strength".
He hasn't answered me if Freezer thought that every saiyan had 1 million units of power, since if that 1 million was referring to the strength Freezer was using at that moment and the first thing Freezer says after the 1 million claim is that "even a saiyan could do this".
So can you answer me those questions?

Easily. People assume that 2nd Form Freeza initially is 1,000,000. When in reality he said the last time he checked was the form was 1,000,000. That could honestly be the max power of the form also.

True. The meaning of that sentence, if isolated, can mean both that 1 million is his current power or that 1 million is his maximum power.
That's why it makes absolutely no sense to take Freezer's statement of "my power is 530k" as 530k being his maximum, and at the same time to take his statement of "my power is over 1 million" just being his current strength with no apparent reason.

You know, these numbers do baffle me. By Vegeta's own statement if the three of these fools teamed up against me in my first form they would have been capable of winning, however by your numbers I would have crushed them with a single blow.

Remember that statements != feats or facts. Vegeta also claimed that he would be able to beat Freezer's final form and he got humiliated by him even when Freezer wasn't using half his strength.
Vegeta didn't know how strong Freezer was even in his weakest form, and considering how tired he was after his clash with Freezer and how fresh Freezer was, I don't even think he could've kept pace with Freezer's weakest form (4th form).
In fact, when Vegeta said that they could take care of Freezer, he already knew that Freezer could transform -in fact, it was Vegeta the one that asked Freezer to transform- so his claim was as baseless as it could possibly be.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Remember that statements != feats or facts. Vegeta also claimed that he would be able to beat Freezer's final form and he got humiliated by him even when Freezer wasn't using half his strength.
Vegeta didn't know how strong Freezer was even in his weakest form, and considering how tired he was after his clash with Freezer and how fresh Freezer was, I don't even think he could've kept pace with Freezer's weakest form (4th form).
In fact, when Vegeta said that they could take care of Freezer, he already knew that Freezer could transform -in fact, it was Vegeta the one that asked Freezer to transform- so his claim was as baseless as it could possibly be.

If we go by that logic, then if I remember the details precisely, and I do because I was there Vegeta was capable of blocking one of my strikes, and I was at full power in that suppression form. Also, I dislike when people lie to me, Vegeta, the fool he was, was capable of sensing Ki, he would know full well the full capability's of the forms power.

The forth form is my true form you know. And as the fool specifically stated, he wouldn't have been able to defeat me in that state, the two brats and him were only capable. Honestly, for as dumb as he is I can at least give him some praise for suggesting that to me, I can transform at any time, and any day whenever I want healing my wounds, and doubling my strength.

Pity he underestimated the boost in power.

 

[freezamite]

Remember that statements != feats or facts. Vegeta also claimed that he would be able to beat Freezer's final form and he got humiliated by him even when Freezer wasn't using half his strength.
Vegeta didn't know how strong Freezer was even in his weakest form, and considering how tired he was after his clash with Freezer and how fresh Freezer was, I don't even think he could've kept pace with Freezer's weakest form (4th form).
In fact, when Vegeta said that they could take care of Freezer, he already knew that Freezer could transform -in fact, it was Vegeta the one that asked Freezer to transform- so his claim was as baseless as it could possibly be.

If we go by that logic, then if I remember the details precisely, and I do because I was there Vegeta was capable of blocking one of my strikes, and I was at full power in that suppression form. Also, I dislike when people lie to me, Vegeta, the fool he was, was capable of sensing Ki, he would know full well the full capability's of the forms power.

The forth form is my true form you know. And as the fool specifically stated, he wouldn't have been able to defeat me in that state, the two brats and him were only capable. Honestly, for as dumb as he is I can at least give him some praise for suggesting that to me, I can transform at any time, and any day whenever I want healing my wounds, and doubling my strength.

Pity he underestimated the boost in power.

What makes you think you were at your maximum power in that suppression form? Not only you seemed far less tired than Vegeta which already indicates that you put much less effort into that clash than him, but you had no intention of transforming after the fact. You only transformed because Vegeta told you to do so, unlike when Piccolo proves to be at least comparable to your 2nd suppression form and you transformed to not let him beat you.
And why would you be less tired than Vegeta if both of you used all your power, when we know for a fact that the one that had stamina problems was you and not Vegeta? I can understand the suppressed forms not having stamina problems, but Vegeta didn't have them either, and he still was far more visibly tired than you.

I don't think you used all your strength, don't be that modest.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

What makes you think you were at your maximum power in that suppression form? Not only you seemed far less tired than Vegeta which already indicates that you put much less effort into that clash than him, but you had no intention of transforming after the fact. You only transformed because Vegeta told you to do so, unlike when Piccolo proves to be at least comparable to your 2nd suppression form and you transformed to not let him beat you.
And why would you be less tired than Vegeta if both of you used all your power, when we know for a fact that the one that had stamina problems was you and not Vegeta? I can understand the suppressed forms not having stamina problems, but Vegeta didn't have them either, and he still was far more visibly tired than you.

I don't think you used all your strength, don't be that modest.

Because I visibly powered up, honestly if I hadn't powered up to my full they would have noticed I was holding back, and made mention of it. That was because I was stronger than the fool, the only way he was capable of defeating me, was with the two brats do I need to repeat this?

 

[freezamite]

What makes you think you were at your maximum power in that suppression form? Not only you seemed far less tired than Vegeta which already indicates that you put much less effort into that clash than him, but you had no intention of transforming after the fact. You only transformed because Vegeta told you to do so, unlike when Piccolo proves to be at least comparable to your 2nd suppression form and you transformed to not let him beat you.
And why would you be less tired than Vegeta if both of you used all your power, when we know for a fact that the one that had stamina problems was you and not Vegeta? I can understand the suppressed forms not having stamina problems, but Vegeta didn't have them either, and he still was far more visibly tired than you.

I don't think you used all your strength, don't be that modest.

Because I visibly powered up, honestly if I hadn't powered up to my full they would have noticed I was holding back, and made mention of it. That was because I was stronger than the fool, the only way he was capable of defeating me, was with the two brats do I need to repeat this?

I think you're giving them too much praise, lord of the universe. In your 2nd contention form you powered up multiple times, and they were all pretty surprised every single time. Even Goku, the one that had the best Ki control abilities couldn't believe you were only using 50% of your strength and was hoping for that to be a lie.
So if they couldn't sense your hidden power in any of your other forms, why do you think they could do it in your weakest one?

And as I've said, you were clearly much less tired than Vegeta after your clash with him, which means that he had to put much more effort than you only to match you. If there's something that Vegeta is very good at, this is his resistance and endurance which is precisely your weakest point, so it's only logic to think that he used nearly all his strength while you still had some in reserve.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

A fan of Freeza having a disagreement with Freeza himself over his powers lol.

 

[freezamite]

A fan of Freeza having a disagreement with Freeza himself over his powers lol.

And telling him he wasn't as strong as he thought (12 millions vs 100+ millions he thought he had) :rape

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Man,your paragraphs are a bit too long,like.....

goku would beat gotenks not saying gotenks weak but goku would win he was toying wit fat buu punching him around you could actually see his was hitting him soft when he was holding his horn punching him around like oh shoot be careful nice and easy dont wanna kill him by accident goku said it himself he coulda beat fat buu he literally said that forsure and he said he wanted to hold him off until trunks get the scouter so he was toying wasting time like said he didnt want to destroy buu he wanted to leave that to gotenks its a fact and he was getting the better of kid buu he even said he coulda destroyed kid buu too if he hadnt let the fight go on so long and he started to tire out and kid buu would destroy ss3 gotenks he was too monsterous too much stamina for gotenks he woulda start to tire and lose goku even knew kid buu could beat ss3 gotenks and ultimate gohan remember vegeta said i get it you wanna have gotenks and gohan help us fight him he said no cause itll be no use even if they was to beat on kid buu theyll eventually lose cause theyll start to tire kid buu had unlimited energy and stamina we know for fact cause since fighting ss2 vegeta and ss3 goku a long while he still was fighting 100% just like the beggining while goku and vegeta started to tire out just like against huredigarn that explained it all too ultimate gohan and gotenks was no match 4 the dragon while ss3 goku defeated him with ease too i know people be like ah that dont mean nothing that obviously means goku stronger then them listen to this its like saying goku and them couldnt beat an enemy but chiaotzu can we all know dam well chiaotzu not stronger then goku so he definately couldnt beat the enemy if goku couldnt right, right or wrong its always the stronger person who beat the stronger enemies right right or wrong yall know im telling the truth rather you disagreed with me and another example think about every saga ever in dragon ball history and z and gt and even bog when did they ever ever been like woah we cant beat him nomatter what we do not even the strongest z fighter then somebody weaker came along and finished the enemy off never right ever like another example who finished off frieza on namek goku right the strongest of em all gohan couldnt obviously do it because he wasnt strong enough just like against hirudergarn and who the only one who was able to defeat hirudergarn goku again because just like frieza saga he was strongest it only make sense he the strongest again since only him and not ss3 gotenks or vegeta was able to do it so obviously what they not stronger then goku and this definately make sense goku couldnt beat him ssj2 he was getting clocked and yeah ssj2 goku cant beat ss3 gotenks and ultimate gohan but until he turned ss3 he was toying with hirudergarn then it only make sense its like comparing goku and vegeta against super buu ultimate gohan absorbed and super vegeto who was able to destroy him super vegeto right and not goku & vegeta together yall know why because obviously super vegeto stronger then them did it happen like that like aw goku & vegeta is weaker then super vegeto so only they can beat super buu ultimate gohan absorbed right nope just like ss3 goku if he was weaker then ss3 gotenks and ultimate gohan he definately wouldnt be able to defeat hirudergargn right right or wrong for example vegeta wasnt able to defeat him why because he is weaker then ss3 gotenks & ultimate gohan and since they couldnt defeat him guess what vegeta couldnt either because why because he was weaker then them right make sense right its not like ss3 goku loss to the ones they can beat for example gotenks and ultimate gohan seem to beat super buu whos to say ss3 goku cant even though goku said inside buu like my boy told me because he still had people inside he wouldnt of been regular super buu and him even super buu gotenks absorbed can what can still beat ss3 gotenks and ultimate gohan too so whats the difference they gotta be able to beat somebody ss3 goku cant in order to be stronger then him and they cant ss3 goku can beat super buu too no difference if he could beat kid buu who is much stronger then regular super buu goku even said it remember he said its strange even though we took everybody out his power keeps going up instead of decreasing that say it it keep going up so kid buu is far stronger then regular super buu and goku said he coulda even beat kid buu if he didnt let the fight go on too long ss3 goku powers is crazy as hell the only buus he cant actually beat was super buu ss3 gotenks absorbed and super buu ultimate gohan absorbed which ss3 gotenks and ultimate gohan cant beat either why because they not stronger then him he was far beyond kid buu then they couldnt beat somebody ss3 goku couldnt but ss3 goku was able to beat somebody ss3 gotenks & ultimate gohan couldnt so that proves nobody stronger then ss3 goku except super buu gotenks & ultimate gohan absorbed & super vegeto thats it and super janemba & super gogeta & beerus & whis if you wanna add them but them 4 dont count cause they wasnt around then so only them 3 characters was stronger then ss3 goku its been proved





Make it shorter

I read it all. Just curious, has anybody else read it all?

 

[KyuubiAhri]

Man,your paragraphs are a bit too long,like.....

goku would beat gotenks not saying gotenks weak but goku would win he was toying wit fat buu punching him around you could actually see his was hitting him soft when he was holding his horn punching him around like oh shoot be careful nice and easy dont wanna kill him by accident goku said it himself he coulda beat fat buu he literally said that forsure and he said he wanted to hold him off until trunks get the scouter so he was toying wasting time like said he didnt want to destroy buu he wanted to leave that to gotenks its a fact and he was getting the better of kid buu he even said he coulda destroyed kid buu too if he hadnt let the fight go on so long and he started to tire out and kid buu would destroy ss3 gotenks he was too monsterous too much stamina for gotenks he woulda start to tire and lose goku even knew kid buu could beat ss3 gotenks and ultimate gohan remember vegeta said i get it you wanna have gotenks and gohan help us fight him he said no cause itll be no use even if they was to beat on kid buu theyll eventually lose cause theyll start to tire kid buu had unlimited energy and stamina we know for fact cause since fighting ss2 vegeta and ss3 goku a long while he still was fighting 100% just like the beggining while goku and vegeta started to tire out just like against huredigarn that explained it all too ultimate gohan and gotenks was no match 4 the dragon while ss3 goku defeated him with ease too i know people be like ah that dont mean nothing that obviously means goku stronger then them listen to this its like saying goku and them couldnt beat an enemy but chiaotzu can we all know dam well chiaotzu not stronger then goku so he definately couldnt beat the enemy if goku couldnt right, right or wrong its always the stronger person who beat the stronger enemies right right or wrong yall know im telling the truth rather you disagreed with me and another example think about every saga ever in dragon ball history and z and gt and even bog when did they ever ever been like woah we cant beat him nomatter what we do not even the strongest z fighter then somebody weaker came along and finished the enemy off never right ever like another example who finished off frieza on namek goku right the strongest of em all gohan couldnt obviously do it because he wasnt strong enough just like against hirudergarn and who the only one who was able to defeat hirudergarn goku again because just like frieza saga he was strongest it only make sense he the strongest again since only him and not ss3 gotenks or vegeta was able to do it so obviously what they not stronger then goku and this definately make sense goku couldnt beat him ssj2 he was getting clocked and yeah ssj2 goku cant beat ss3 gotenks and ultimate gohan but until he turned ss3 he was toying with hirudergarn then it only make sense its like comparing goku and vegeta against super buu ultimate gohan absorbed and super vegeto who was able to destroy him super vegeto right and not goku & vegeta together yall know why because obviously super vegeto stronger then them did it happen like that like aw goku & vegeta is weaker then super vegeto so only they can beat super buu ultimate gohan absorbed right nope just like ss3 goku if he was weaker then ss3 gotenks and ultimate gohan he definately wouldnt be able to defeat hirudergargn right right or wrong for example vegeta wasnt able to defeat him why because he is weaker then ss3 gotenks & ultimate gohan and since they couldnt defeat him guess what vegeta couldnt either because why because he was weaker then them right make sense right its not like ss3 goku loss to the ones they can beat for example gotenks and ultimate gohan seem to beat super buu whos to say ss3 goku cant even though goku said inside buu like my boy told me because he still had people inside he wouldnt of been regular super buu and him even super buu gotenks absorbed can what can still beat ss3 gotenks and ultimate gohan too so whats the difference they gotta be able to beat somebody ss3 goku cant in order to be stronger then him and they cant ss3 goku can beat super buu too no difference if he could beat kid buu who is much stronger then regular super buu goku even said it remember he said its strange even though we took everybody out his power keeps going up instead of decreasing that say it it keep going up so kid buu is far stronger then regular super buu and goku said he coulda even beat kid buu if he didnt let the fight go on too long ss3 goku powers is crazy as hell the only buus he cant actually beat was super buu ss3 gotenks absorbed and super buu ultimate gohan absorbed which ss3 gotenks and ultimate gohan cant beat either why because they not stronger then him he was far beyond kid buu then they couldnt beat somebody ss3 goku couldnt but ss3 goku was able to beat somebody ss3 gotenks & ultimate gohan couldnt so that proves nobody stronger then ss3 goku except super buu gotenks & ultimate gohan absorbed & super vegeto thats it and super janemba & super gogeta & beerus & whis if you wanna add them but them 4 dont count cause they wasnt around then so only them 3 characters was stronger then ss3 goku its been proved





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I read it all. Just curious, has anybody else read it all?

Me.I was stupid enough to read it