Can a 100x multiplier work for SSJ?

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Where is it ever indicated reserves help out in this way? If you are suppressed to 0 are you saying an attack of 100 can't kill a 1,000 power level fighter? Isn't there a risk of being suppressed so low?

Being suppressed to 0 is one thing, but being at 50% is a whole other thing.

Does anyone ever lose because they were suppressed? Not off guard, but suppressed. Closest example is the people who think Future Trunks = Namek Goku, but they're dumb.

I'm sure this is a thing since Ki control isn't a thing then. They're pulling their punches, but they're not pulling their durability.

This is an interesting pathway to think, but don't you assume Freeza exceeded 50% to counter the blast?

Why is Freeza's hands burnt if his reserves increase his durability so much Why did Freeza think he could have died?

Sure he increased it, but by how much did he increase? How does going from 50 to 55 tell Goku that Freeza is barely using 50%?

The case here is is that Freeza isn't going to die because a blast is 10% stronger than he is, specially if he's got 2x as much power in his back pocket.

I don't think Freeza thought his life was in risk, did he? Only with the Genki-Dama IIRC.

Exactly my point.

So Raditz > Kamehameha by a greater margin than Freeza > Kamehameha.

But Raditz is like 1.3x the Kamehameha. Something's off here.

Funny how the gaps always go smooth when we're dealing with post-Freeza stuff, but when we're dealing with actual power levels it's always this mess. Specially with blasts.

 

[FeatsofPower]

The case here is is that Freeza isn't going to die because a blast is 10% stronger than he is, specially if he's got 2x as much power in his back pocket.

He literally says, "I almost died."

 

[FeatsofPower]

But Raditz is like 1.3x the Kamehameha. Something's off here.

Funny how the gaps always go smooth when we're dealing with post-Freeza stuff, but when we're dealing with actual power levels it's always this mess. Specially with blasts.

Yeah, because when we create our own system, it's way better. We honestly might have to re-do this whole section. Things aren't adding up at all right now.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

He literally says, "I almost died."

Wasn't that what he said about the Genkidama?

 

[Dagon]

When Goku had a 12% disadvantage against Vegeta, he considered himself completely helpless and decided he had no other choice but to risk his life with the Kkx3 knowing he could destroy his body.

A 12% advantage is a MONUMENTAL advantage in the world of Dragonball.

If nothing else you could just lower base Goku so the x10 KHH is closer to 50% Freeza. My point was more for how we could scale attack amps with Kaio-Ken and transformations.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Chapter: 314 (DBZ 120), P4.4, P6.2-3
Context: still following the Kaio-Ken x20 Kamehameha
Freeza: “Th-that was dangerous…Wh-why did he have such stupendous power?...Damn Saiyan! That hurt just now…IT HURT!”
Anyway Raditz is a just a pussy who’s not used to fighting. That’s me rewritting this story.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Chapter: 314 (DBZ 120), P4.4, P6.2-3
Context: still following the Kaio-Ken x20 Kamehameha
Freeza: “Th-that was dangerous…Wh-why did he have such stupendous power?...Damn Saiyan! That hurt just now…IT HURT!”
Anyway Raditz is a just a pussy who’s not used to fighting. That’s me rewritting this story.

Looks like I was wrong. Thanks for the quote.

Raditz might not be at full power even when blocking the Kamehameha. That might be our saving grace here.

What percentage do you feel Raditz vs the blast should be? 85% or so?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Looks like I was wrong. Thanks for the quote.

Raditz might not be at full power even when blocking the Kamehameha. That might be our saving grace here.

What percentage do you feel Raditz vs the blast should be? 85% or so?

Yeah, but I think you’re right anyway. That reserves thing is kinda bogus. Should only work if a character is pulling punches, not outright suppressed.

I don’t know man, he took that blast very seriously. I feel like he was at full power when he took that stance. He was even shaking.

 

[FeatsofPower]

I don’t know man, he took that blast very seriously. I feel like he was at full power when he took that stance. He was even shaking.

Yeah but why is Piccolo surprised with his speed? They are always surprised lol

 

[Fantastische Hure]

It was 10x up-to what it was at that point (Kaio-Ken x20), thus 200x is more like it.

 

[Pakl]

No because Kaioken x20 Goku was rivaling 50% Freeza, while SSjin Goku wasn't much stronger than 100% Freeza.

So math.