Can Goten & Trunks SSj Pre stand in one place and tank Android 18?

[kriss-]

Let's compare them to Semi-Perfect Cell.

 

[SSJ2]

They are on par with Cell Games SSJ Goku. Yes.

 

[kriss-]

So because they couldn't win physically, and because they had to resort to a Kai cannon, how does that make any cents? If they were as powerful as speculated to be, they could simply stand in one place, tank everything or one shot her physically. If I jumped into a boxing ring with a suit on, it wouldn't limit my strength by THAT much.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I don't see why they couldn't. Their strength wasn't the issue, it was their hampered movement.

 

[kriss-]

They were entirely capable of fighting in hand 2 hand combat before turning Super Saiyan, so there is no reason they wouldn't be able to afterwards. If we picture two Semi-Perfect Cell's wearing that suit and physically fighting Android 18, let alone someone like Goku during the Cell Games, do you actually believe he would be handicapped to point where he couldn't one shot her?

It just isn't believable that they are as powerful as they are thought to be.

 

[SSJ2]

So because they couldn't win physically, and because they had to resort to a Kai cannon, how does that make any cents? If they were as powerful as speculated to be, they could simply stand in one place, tank everything or one shot her physically. If I jumped into a boxing ring with a suit on, it wouldn't limit my strength by THAT much.

http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/88/t1982351-base-kids-vs-18/#m36328436

 

[ahill1]

If Semi Cell could do it to #16, I'm sure the boys (stronger than Semi Cell) could do it to #18 (weaker than #16).

 

[kriss-]

That guys post has a-lot of mistakes. He assumed Android 18 was fighting all out against the kids in their Base form, the artwork clearly disproves this.

 

[SSJ2]

The artwork proves opposite. Compare 18 vs Vegeta to 18 vs the kids. You see how she looks when she is toying against Vegeta, smiling, laughing, making fun of Vegeta, etc. Against the kids she is serious and on guard the whole time.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

You make the mistake of thinking all circumstances even out when they don't.

Trunks says they're still at a disadvantage despite being Super Saiyan. It's best to just assume to costume was that uncomfortable, even if you don't think it makes sense.

 

[kriss-]

Android 18 was completely nonchalant against the kids, whereas they were shown to be struggling to a large degree.

 

[SSJ2]

Did we read the same fight?

 

[kriss-]

We sure did!

 

[Evil Vegeta]

The nonchalant #18 still acknowledged their power, despite the fact that they couldn't do much in that lousy costume.

 

[ahill1]

Even if they were 50x time stronger than #18,if they cannot move freely they would be handicapped.

 

[kriss-]

I find it completely outlandish to think the suit handicapped them that much. A sparring match with a few other notable Super Saiyans is completely different from an actual fight where they are actually trying to win. Even in boxing, sparring is not the same as fighting, it's meant to serve as training purposes to hone your abilities.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

It isn't outlandish if you just take what the kids say at face value.

 

[kriss-]

The feats just don't tie in line with any of the speculative conjecture in this thread.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

That's why you ignore speculation and just go by what Trunks says. He says they can't move well in the costume. It has nothing to do with their power.

 

[kriss-]

Okay so I guess if Two Semi Cells stood on each others shoulders and wore a costume, he would be unable to defeat Android 18 or 16 either.

Yeano