Can Ultimate Gohan go SSJ?

[ahill1]

When he got his potential unlcoked by Elder Kaioshin, could he still go SSJ?

 

[Papasmurf]

I think he could still go SSJ but without a power boost. Fuck the Super anime's depiction of Ultimate.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Ignoring GT and Super, probably not. Gohan needed to act like he was activating SSJ to unlock this power, so it'd make sense for his "Potential Unleashed" state to replace his SSJ forms.

I do find both GT and the Super manga's handling of it to be decent though, with the former showing Gohan would need to surpass his current limits through training to regain SSJ whereas the latter presented him as wanting to evolve and grow as an Earthling, which may help explain how he suddenly gained his ridiculous adaptation ability to compensate after training. The handling of it in Super's anime of his Ultimate state not being accessible if he slacks off was terrible though with how having to rely on SSJ as a convenient power up instead goes against the point of the ritual.

 

[SSJ2]

I think that at the moment Gohan finished the ritual, SSJ was an impossibility. Boss Kaioshin did tell him to transform into one after all, and we saw that he wasn't able to. Since limits in Dragon Ball are commonly surpassed, Gohan would eventually be able to obtain the form imo, though I doubt the boost would be anything close to what it was before.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

He could, but it wouldn’t make him any stronger.

 

[Papasmurf]

I do find both GT and the Super manga's handling of it to be decent though, with the former showing Gohan would need to surpass his current limits through training to regain SSJ whereas the latter presented him as wanting to evolve and grow as an Earthling, which may help explain how he suddenly gained his ridiculous adaptation ability to compensate after training. The handling of it in Super's anime of his Ultimate state not being accessible if he slacks off was terrible though with how having to rely on SSJ as a convenient power up instead goes against the point of the ritual.

That's not an exclusively Super anime thing seeing as it actually started in the FnF movie (or the BoG movie if you go by the unedited version where Gohan originally went SSJ against Beerus).

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I tend to lump both into the Super moniker considering their remade status within it, and it being on the same level of "quality" in how it handles continuity anyway just like all post-2008 DB stories.

 

[Papasmurf]

Yeah, but the creators responsible for the products are different. The FnF movie was chiefly written by Toriyama (with Toei making small blunders such as messing with Shisami's origins), while the FnF arc in the anime was just Toriyama's notes expanded to a huge degree by Toei (which is why things like Ginyu-Tagoma don't seem to be canon to the manga continuity).

Gohan's Ultimate power up wearing off was a bit weird, but I'd say the main offender in making Tracksuit Gohan the laughingstock he was is the fact that he's apparently not even fully sure if he can turn SSJ (despite being leagues above Namek Goku or even Goten).

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Gohan getting weaker in FnF makes no sense. In the 7 years after the Cell Games he could even still tap into his SSJ2 form at will, yet some 10 months after BoGs he's thin as a macaroni and can't even transform properly? Damn.

 

[Papasmurf]

Gohan getting weaker in FnF makes no sense. In the 7 years after the Cell Games he could even still tap into his SSJ2 form at will, yet some 10 months after BoGs he's thin as a macaroni and can't even transform properly? Damn.

I think it's because Toriyama forgot about the Ultimate power up and wrote Gohan as a SSJ against Beerus, but the finalized product of BoG ended up giving him black hair instead. So this carried over, except Gohan was now weaker.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Gohan getting weaker in FnF makes no sense. In the 7 years after the Cell Games he could even still tap into his SSJ2 form at will, yet some 10 months after BoGs he's thin as a macaroni and can't even transform properly? Damn.

Gohan clearly went on a full soy diet in those months.

They don't call him the Great Soyman for nothing.

 

[Papasmurf]

Gohan getting weaker in FnF makes no sense. In the 7 years after the Cell Games he could even still tap into his SSJ2 form at will, yet some 10 months after BoGs he's thin as a macaroni and can't even transform properly? Damn.

Gohan clearly went on a full soy diet in those months.

They don't call him the Great Soyman for nothing.

Gohan dropped more pounds of muscle than Good Boo dropped fat in the Super anime.

 

[VampireWicked]

My thoughts....
Two possibilities.


A. If Ultimate is Base with unlocked Potential then yup.
Yup.
IF SuperSaiyan, AscendedSaiyan (SS2) follows Ultimate, then any Transformations such as SuperSaiyan, & AscendedSaiyan (SS2) would just multiply his Base/Ultimate Form like an other.
So whatever Potential power, etc Gohan has in Ultimate it gets Multiplied by x50, x2.

Bringing forth & applying a Potential Unlock like Ultimate might give him Mastery over each Transformation as if tapping into the Potential of each Form.
He may have perfect balance & control over his emotions & Ki also could possibly even draw out the Potential of any newly acquired Transformations all with no stamina drain.

But since it was done on Base it probably just allows control over Base, brings out the best/Potential of whichever Form the unlock is applied to.


Or

B. If Ultimate is classified as his Transformation like his SuperSaiyan3 that only follows the previous ones, then SuperSaiyan & AscendedSaiyan (SS2) would only be lower lesser Transformations & not effected or Multiplied by Ultimate.

 

[ahill1]

I remember I had a theory that a Saiyajin eventually stocks all the power he could access with transformations in his base state, similar to Ultimate Gohan not ascending to access all his summoned power and therefore Goku's training in the 10 years after Kid Boo's defeat were focused on bringing out all his power in his base state alone, with SSJ doing nothing but changing his hair, as he had already evolved his base to his former SSJ3's level, more or less. It also meshes well with some guidebooks' informations about SSJ3 drawing out all of a Saiyajin's power and with Goku expecting a good battle with Kid Boo reborn by "training hard"... makes sense as well when Goku's predicament in the battle was his chi loss.

[mention]VampireWicked[/mention]

So you think Gohan would be in a "weaker than FP" state if he turned into a SSJ?

 

[sei'taer]

I'm having goddamn Apocalypse1280 war flashbacks.

 

[ahill1]

I'm having goddamn Apocalypse1280 war flashbacks.

Who's this?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Some guy from Pojo.

 

[VampireWicked]

I remember I had a theory that a Saiyajin eventually stocks all the power he could access with transformations in his base state, similar to Ultimate Gohan not ascending to access all his summoned power and therefore Goku's training in the 10 years after Kid Boo's defeat were focused on bringing out all his power in his base state alone, with SSJ doing nothing but changing his hair, as he had already evolved his base to his former SSJ3's level, more or less. It also meshes well with some guidebooks' informations about SSJ3 drawing out all of a Saiyajin's power and with Goku expecting a good battle with Kid Boo reborn by "training hard"... makes sense as well when Goku's predicament in the battle was his chi loss.

@VampireWicked

So you think Gohan would be in a "weaker than FP" state if he turned into a SSJ?

FullPowered SuperSaiyan ?
No.

If Gohan kept in shape then no FullPowered SuperSaiyan G4 wouldn't be weaker as it's a Mastered Form of SuperSaiyan.
Now if Gohan let his training drop then I doubt FullPowered SuperSaiyan G4 would even be available to him due to a lack of Ki Control, & he'd just go G1.

 

[sei'taer]

I'm having goddamn Apocalypse1280 war flashbacks.

Who's this?

One of the worst trolls from Pojo. Kid buu homer, all around imbecile.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I think he can but he would be even weaker than his ultimate form.