Can Zarbon and Dodoria beat Vegeta?

[sei'taer]

For that statement to ever make sense, vegeta needed to show that he needed to fight them individually to win. And that just isn't the case.

He steamrolls them both with little effort, I see no reason that with effort he couldn't beat both at the same time.

 

[p123]

Clearly you've been spending too much time at home doing nothing. Being able to beat one guy easily and then having to fight two guys at the same time is a whoooollllee notherrrr ball game. Stick to what you know best, not a damn thing.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Clearly you've been spending too much time at home doing nothing. Being able to beat one guy easily and then having to fight two guys at the same time is a whoooollllee notherrrr ball game. Stick to what you know best, not a damn thing.

We're talking about a cartoon here not a real life dumbfuck.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I just found this one!

Chapter: 257 (DBZ 63), P4.2
Context: talking about sensing ki
Vegeta: “It was simple once I got the gist of it. But it’s no use if you’re focused just on power, like you guys or Freeza…I was like that too until recently…”

What do you think?

 

[p123]

Many of the same principles that apply to real fighting apply to the series. Why wouldn't they. We aren't going to disregard logic and character statements just because you have less freedom to do whatever the fuck you want to do.

Freeza said Dodoria and Zarbon can beat Vegeta, Vegeta waits to pick them off one by one, that's it. If we took your approach, we'd never reach any conclusions on anything. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Maybe they could win by distraction or Freeza must be counting on Zarbon's monster form too.

 

[p123]

No, that was never implied to be necessary. However, what is implied is that Dodoria and Zarbon are strong enough to beat Vegeta in a 2 on 1 battle. Beating 2 people at once is much, much, much harder than beating people 1 on 1.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Could work like Ginyu/Jeice VS Goku all over again.

 

[Boo Brand Milk]

Freeza was aware of Vegeta having the 24,000 figure, and according to him Dodoria and Zarbon can take him if they went at it together and isn't contradicted.

Would you agree on a Earth Vegeta vs Zarbon form 1 that :what would win 55% of the time?

 

[KyuubiAhri]

Freeza was aware of Vegeta having the 24,000 figure, and according to him Dodoria and Zarbon can take him if they went at it together and isn't contradicted.

Would you agree on a Earth Vegeta vs Zarbon form 1 that :what would win 55% of the time?

nope

 

[Jerk Store]

No, Freeza's bad at maths.

 

[ahill1]

Well, it was stated and not contradicted, so I'd roll with it. Freeza was also counting with Vegeta learning something new on his battle on Earth and knew he had been constantly battling, yet he didn't express doubt with Zarbon and Dodoria winning against Vegeta if they fought together.

You could say that they had a loss of one of the three chi components due to Vegeta playing mind games with them and that with them together they wouldn't be influenced by such (having more confidence) and that therefore their individuals' fights don't play too much of a role in how they'd do it together. But if anyone had a loss of Yuuki (?) I think it'd be Dodoria. Zarbon didn't seem too much affected by Vegeta's games... he knew he had a transformation that could be awaken and didn't lose his mind like Dodoria.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

If they didn't lose their ki components then yes

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Well, it was stated and not contradicted, so I'd roll with it. Freeza was also counting with Vegeta learning something new on his battle on Earth and knew he had been constantly battling, yet he didn't express doubt with Zarbon and Dodoria winning against Vegeta if they fought together.

You could say that they had a loss of one of the three chi components due to Vegeta playing mind games with them and that with them together they wouldn't be influenced by such (having more confidence) and that therefore their individuals' fights don't play too much of a role in how they'd do it together. But if anyone had a loss of Yuuki (?) I think it'd be Dodoria. Zarbon didn't seem too much affected by Vegeta's games... he knew he had a transformation that could be awaken and didn't lose his mind like Dodoria.

I'm pretty sure Zarbon lost Shoki (Right-mindedness) while fighting Vegeta. He seems really nervous.
In the matter, they should win if any of them are affected by Vegeta's mind games. Damn it, if even Kiwi didn't shit om his pants than he would manage to not get one shotted (but would be a punch bag for Vegeta).

 

[ahill1]

Well, it was stated and not contradicted, so I'd roll with it. Freeza was also counting with Vegeta learning something new on his battle on Earth and knew he had been constantly battling, yet he didn't express doubt with Zarbon and Dodoria winning against Vegeta if they fought together.

You could say that they had a loss of one of the three chi components due to Vegeta playing mind games with them and that with them together they wouldn't be influenced by such (having more confidence) and that therefore their individuals' fights don't play too much of a role in how they'd do it together. But if anyone had a loss of Yuuki (?) I think it'd be Dodoria. Zarbon didn't seem too much affected by Vegeta's games... he knew he had a transformation that could be awaken and didn't lose his mind like Dodoria.

I'm pretty sure Zarbon lost Shoki (Right-mindedness) while fighting Vegeta. He seems really nervous.
In the matter, they should win if any of them are affected by Vegeta's mind games. Damn it, if even Kiwi didn't shit om his pants than he would manage to not get one shotted (but would be a punch bag for Vegeta).

Like I said, the one who seemed to have such traits of losing strength through Vegeta's mind games was Dodoria. Zarbon was surprised about Vegeta saying he eliminated Dodoria, but that's about it. He was still keeping his cool (unlike Dodoria) and knew his transformation could be awakened in the case Vegeta was just pemmeling him. Dodoria had no such thing up his sleeve, quickly lost his mind and resorted to spamming chi blasts, trying at all costs to deny Vegeta's 24k reading, like if he had to convince himself of otherwise. Dodoria maybe could have performed better, but I think Zarbon did as good as he could. He seemed surprised at Vegeta deflecting his blast, but nothing sort of "losing his composure" and being shocked at the opponent doing something like this is generally portrayed in the fights of Dragon Ball, yet I doubt anyone would argue a loss of Shoki in those cases.

 

[Super Saiyan Overlord1007]

I don't see a problem with what Frieza said, if Zarbon and Dodoria teaming up can beat Vegeta, than I don't see it shouldn't be believed. Goku believed that if he and Vegeta teamed up they could beat Buu and how many people believe that?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Well Freeza was basing his estimation by numbers which Vegeta contradicted it later.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Vegeta never fought Dodoria and Zarbon at the same time though.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

No, what I meant was Vegeta's statement later.

Chapter: 257 (DBZ 63), P4.2
Context: talking about sensing ki
Vegeta: “It was simple once I got the gist of it. But it’s no use if you’re focused just on power, like you guys or Freeza…”

 

[SSJ2]

Why is that relevant whatsoever..?