Cell Games

[KyuubiAhri]

I don't know what you're talking about so let's begin again, shall we?

My argument was the Cell who fought Gohan is the same Cell who fought Goku in terms of power. But the Cell who fought Gohan is faster than the Cell who fought Goku. So my point was there's no need for Gohan to be a lot stronger than Goku if both of them got destroyed by the same Cell but with different version of speed.

You also said Cell couldn't damage Gohan because of his effort, to which it was clear in my mind you were trying to say Cell (later vs Gohan) > Cell (initially vs Gohan). I should've asked first, but I'll do it now: what did you mean by "because of effort"?

Cell underrestimate Gohan hence he's not taking Gohan seriously which mean that he's not putting an effort in his fight against Gohan like he did against Goku. When he took Gohan seriously, Gohan was no match against Cell who put his effort like against Goku.

But Gohan states that it wasnt hard for him to follow goku's movements.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

You also said Cell couldn't damage Gohan because of his effort, to which it was clear in my mind you were trying to say Cell (later vs Gohan) > Cell (initially vs Gohan). I should've asked first, but I'll do it now: what did you mean by "because of effort"?

Cell underrestimate Gohan hence he's not taking Gohan seriously which mean that he's not putting an effort in his fight against Gohan like he did against Goku. When he took Gohan seriously, Gohan was no match against Cell who put his effort like against Goku.

Then I disagree. Like I said, I don't see Cell taking Gohan initially less serious than he did Goku, and if he increased his effort against Gohan then he surpassed [the level he was using] vs Goku.

What? Cell even wants to fight Goku after he fought Gohan, and after Gohan survived from his attack, he calls Gohan a tough one.

Chapter: 404 (DBZ 210), P14.2
Context: after Gohan isn’t fazed much by Cell’s attack
Cell: “..Well, this is a surprise…You’re exceptionally tough, aren’t you?…”

That tells us that Cell clearly underrestimate Gohan and wasn't taking him seriously. After Gohan managed to kicked Cell which pissed Cell off and started to take Gohan seriously and Gohan can't even defend himself. Look, I'm not denying that Gohan is stronger than Goku but my argument was that Cell against Gohan is not stronger than Cell against Goku.

You also said Cell couldn't damage Gohan because of his effort, to which it was clear in my mind you were trying to say Cell (later vs Gohan) > Cell (initially vs Gohan). I should've asked first, but I'll do it now: what did you mean by "because of effort"?

Cell underrestimate Gohan hence he's not taking Gohan seriously which mean that he's not putting an effort in his fight against Gohan like he did against Goku. When he took Gohan seriously, Gohan was no match against Cell who put his effort like against Goku.

But Gohan states that it wasnt hard for him to follow goku's movements.

Gohan is stronger than Goku and faster but he's weaker than Cell who beats Goku.

 

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That tells us that Cell clearly underrestimate Gohan and wasn't taking him seriously. After Gohan managed to kicked Cell which pissed Cell off and started to take Gohan seriously and Gohan can't even defend himself. Look, I'm not denying that Gohan is stronger than Goku but my argument was that Cell against Gohan is not stronger than Cell against Goku.

Wrong. Cell never underestimated Gohan. When he powers up in front of him, he outright tells everyone that what Goku said had some truth in it. In other words, Cell is aware of the fact that Gohan is considerably stronger than Goku; underestimating him right after acknowledging such a fact would be completely out of character for Cell. The reason why he said he wanted to fight Goku again was because he thought Gohan was killed by barrage of attacks, which would mean Goku was the only one there who could even entertain him. And even so, Cell states Goku should take a senzu before even doing anything, further reinforcing my point:

Spoiler

 

[ahill1]

What? Cell even wants to fight Goku after he fought Gohan, and after Gohan survived from his attack, he calls Gohan a tough one.

Because Goku was the obvious choice there besides Gohan. He wants to fight Goku once he thinks he finished off Gohan and there's nothing else. That doesn't prove, AT ALL, that Cell started vs Gohan in a level weaker than the one he fought Goku.

Cell stated that Goku's "Gohan is stronger than we both" wasn't a total bluff, meaning he knows Gohan>Goku, therefore there's no reason he'd start taking Gohan less serious than he did Goku.

Gohan stated that the fight wasn't too much for him, meaning both from Goku and Cell's part. And the "Cell started taking Gohan less seriously than Goku" is already bunk. If you think Cell increased his effort after seeing his attack had no effect on Gohan, then yes, Cell ('later' vs Gohan) > Cell (vs Goku).

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

That tells us that Cell clearly underrestimate Gohan and wasn't taking him seriously. After Gohan managed to kicked Cell which pissed Cell off and started to take Gohan seriously and Gohan can't even defend himself. Look, I'm not denying that Gohan is stronger than Goku but my argument was that Cell against Gohan is not stronger than Cell against Goku.

Wrong. Cell never underestimated Gohan. When he powers up in front of him, he outright tells everyone that what Goku said had some truth in it. In other words, Cell is aware of the fact that Gohan is considerably stronger than Goku; underestimating him right after acknowledging such a fact would be completely out of character for Cell. The reason why he said he wanted to fight Goku again was because he thought Gohan was killed by barrage of attacks, which would mean Goku was the only one there who could even entertain him. And even so, Cell states Goku should take a senzu before even doing anything, further reinforcing my point:

Spoiler

Chapter: 404 (DBZ 210), P14.2
Context: after Gohan isn’t fazed much by Cell’s attack
Cell: “..Well, this is a surprise…You’re exceptionally tough, aren’t you?…”

What? Cell even wants to fight Goku after he fought Gohan, and after Gohan survived from his attack, he calls Gohan a tough one.

Because Goku was the obvious choice there besides Gohan. He wants to fight Goku once he thinks he finished off Gohan and there's nothing else. That doesn't prove, AT ALL, that Cell started vs Gohan in a level weaker than the one he fought Goku.

Cell stated that Goku's "Gohan is stronger than we both" wasn't a total bluff, meaning he knows Gohan>Goku, therefore there's no reason he'd start taking Gohan less serious than he did Goku.

Gohan stated that the fight wasn't too much for him, meaning both from Goku and Cell's part. And the "Cell started taking Gohan less seriously than Goku" is already bunk. If you think Cell increased his effort after seeing his attack had no effect on Gohan, then yes, Cell ('later' vs Gohan) > Cell (vs Goku).

Then again, I'm not denying that Gohan > Goku. Also, you have no proof that Cell [VS Gohan] is stronger than Cell [Against Goku].

I provided a proof, Cell clearly underrestimate Gohan and even call Gohan a non-sense and still wants to fight Goku.

Spoiler

First prove that Cell [VS Gohan] > Cell [Vs Goku].

 

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Chapter: 404 (DBZ 210), P14.2
Context: after Gohan isn’t fazed much by Cell’s attack
Cell: “..Well, this is a surprise…You’re exceptionally tough, aren’t you?…”

Literally proves nothing other than the fact Cell thought the attack had killed Gohan.

 

[ahill1]

Then again, I'm not denying that Gohan > Goku.

I'm not saying you did. I am discussing Cell's power vs Gohan here.

Also, you have no proof that Cell [VS Gohan] is stronger than Cell [Against Goku].

If you think Cell increased his effort when fighting Gohan, then yeah, Cell (vs Gohan) > Cell (vs Goku).

I provided a proof, Cell clearly underrestimate Gohan and even call Gohan a non-sense and still wants to fight Goku.

Which I replied to. Cell MIGHT have made it, but he had already admitted Gohan > Goku. So prove Cell started taking Gohan less serious.

First prove that Cell [VS Gohan] > Cell [Vs Goku].

You're just doing that by saying Cell increased his effort against Gohan.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Chapter: 404 (DBZ 210), P14.2
Context: after Gohan isn’t fazed much by Cell’s attack
Cell: “..Well, this is a surprise…You’re exceptionally tough, aren’t you?…”

Literally proves nothing other than the fact Cell thought the attack had killed Gohan.

Cell thought he killed Gohan with that attack but he was wrong, clearly he underrestimate Gohan here.

If you think Cell increased his effort when fighting Gohan, then yeah, Cell (vs Gohan) > Cell (vs Goku).

Goku against Fat Boo is the same Goku against Pure Boo with different effort, you see where I'm going here?

[Which I replied to. Cell MIGHT have made it, but he had already admitted Gohan > Goku. So prove Cell started taking Gohan less serious.

Gohan is a child, clealry Cell underrestimate him and finished him quickly and still consider Goku as a challenge. Even if Gohan is stronger, he's still a child like Piccolo said and Cell also thought the same and it wasn't until Gohan told him about his hidden power that made Cell took him seriously.

You're just doing that by saying Cell increased his effort against Gohan.

So you just put Gohan insanely above Goku and Cell but doesn't have any proof why? Genius!

 

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Cell thought he killed Gohan with that attack but he was wrong, clearly he underrestimate Gohan here.

Cell thinking his attack killed Gohan proves absolutely nothing in regards to him not taking Gohan seriously, which is what you said but failed to prove. I've posted an entire paragraph validating my point, and you haven't done anything to refute it.

 

[ahill1]

Goku against Fat Boo is the same Goku against Pure Boo with different effort, you see where I'm going here?

Yes, and it still doesn't change the point. Goku was the same power level wise, but he still was using less effort behind his punches, pulling his attacks, meaning effectively speaking he was weaker than he was vs Kid Boo. If Cell was using less effort against Gohan then upped his effort, then it means just that --> he had a pl of 100 and was using 90. Therefore, if Gohan is a 100, then he was above the level Cell was using against him, which would be 90 (note: I'm just pulling those numbers to make a comparison).

Gohan is a child, clealry Cell underrestimate him and finished him quickly and still consider Goku as a challenge. Even if Gohan is stronger, he's still a child like Piccolo said and Cell also thought the same and it wasn't until Gohan told him about his hidden power that made Cell took him seriously.

Again, I didn't say Cell didn't underestimated Gohan, so can you cut off this thing already? Cell knew Gohan was > Goku ("what Goku said wasn't a total bluff") and him underestimating him just means he is even above his initial estimation, which was already > Goku. The fact that Cell underestimated Gohan doesn't mean he was using a level below the one he used against Goku, it just means he underestimated by how much Gohan was stronger. So it's still up to you to prove Cell (initially vs Gohan) < Cell (vs Goku).

So you just put Gohan insanely above Goku and Cell but doesn't have any proof why? Genius!

Are you referring to my list? Because all I said is that Gohan doesn't need to be below the level Cell was using to fight Goku, since he initially could dodge all of his attacks and his full speed kiai did no damage to Gohan, pretty similar to Dabura's blast doing no damage to Gohan either and most would agree Gohan held an advantage in power in their fight. YOU were the one who said that Cell was using less effort vs Gohan initially and then raised it after seeing how his attack did no damage to the boy. Yet, you think Cell (vs Gohan) was no different from the one vs Goku. So, logically speaking, you think Cell started taking Gohan less serious than he did Goku... any proof to back this up?

 

[xmysticgohanx]

Cell (true speed) > SSJ Gohan