Cell Saga - Early Boo Saga

[FeatsofPower]

Vegetto 400,000,000

Buuhan 375,000,000

Gokan 350,000,000

Buutenks 300,000,000

Ultimate Gohan 225,000,000

Ssj 3 Gotenks 150,000,000
Super Buu 150,000,000

Ssj2 Gotenks 30,000,000

Super Buu 8,500,000
Ssj Gotenks Post 7,500,000

Ssj Gotenks 5,000,000
Ssj3 Goku 4,500,000

Ssj2 Goku 900,000
Ssj2 Kid Gohan 800,000
SPC 750,000
Ssj2 Vegeta 600,000

Perfect Cell 400,000



Ssj Goku 225,000
Ssj Vegeta 150,000
Base Gotenks Post 150,000
Ssj Gohan 100,000
Base Gotenks 100,000

Goku 4,500
Vegeta 3,000
Gohan 2,000
Pui Pui 1,500
Estimated Saiyans 1,000
Kaioshin 750
Piccolo 500
Trunks 250
Goten 240
Android 18 225

 

[HunterR18]

Since I’m officially out the Freeza>Base team this list is sort of both me testing the waters for a new list and trying to work the Base > Piccolo issue.

Trunks Saga

Mecha Freeza: 160
King Cold: 100

SSJ Trunks: 250
SSJ Goku: 300

Androids Saga

SSJ Goku: 480
~ Sick: 360

SSJ Vegeta: 500
SSJ Trunks: 400

Piccolo: 400
~ Fused with Kami: 720
~ Full power: 800
~ Light Grenade: 2,800

Android 18: 750
Android 17: 800
Android 16: 5,000

Imperfect Cell: 600
~ Post absorptions: 5,000

Semi Perfect Cell: 10,000
~ Full power: 15,000

Vegeta (Post Rosat): 200
~ SSJ: 10,000
~ ASSJ: 25,000

Trunks (Post Rosat): 192
~ SSJ: 9,600
~ ASSJ: 24,000
~ USSJ: 240,000

Perfect Cell: 75,000
~ Buffed up: 300,000

SSJ Goku (Post Rosat, 50%): 337,500

Cell Games

SSJ Goku: 675,000
SSJ Vegeta/Trunks: 450,000

SSJ Gohan: 900,000
~ Enraged: 1,350,000
~ SSJ2: 2,700,000

Cell: 750,000
~ Vs Gohan: 937,500
~ Full power: 1,500,000
~ Giant: 2,000,000
~ Zenkai: 2,500,000

Babidi Saga

Gohan: 15,000
~ SSJ: 750,000
~ SSJ2: 1,500,000

Vegeta: 20,000
~ SSJ: 1,000,000
~ SSJ2: 2,000,000

Goku: 30,000
~ SSJ: 1,500,000
~ SSJ2: 3,000,000

Goten: 720
~ SSJ: 36,000

Trunks: 750
~ SSJ: 37,500

Piccolo: 6,000
Kaioshin: 10,000

Pui Pui: 14,000
Yakon: 28,000

@FeatsofPower @Goku9001 @SIAD so what do you guys think? I think that’s a good placement for Piccolo.

Good power level

 

[FeatsofPower]

I’ll def help you with the 150 Namek Goku list @GreatSaiyaman123

What do you think are some of the problem areas.

I found a problem with making Gohan and Goku very distant in the Buu Saga.

If you make the rage boost too large it will make Teen Gohan and Vegeta weaker than PC which doesn't make sense.

I think I'll end up with Base Goku (Buu Saga) = Warm Up Goku. That's what happens if you even double Piccolo's power for the Rosat.

Check it out.


Goku 500
Vegeta 400
Gohan 300
Pui Pui 150
Estimated Saiyans 100
Kaioshin 75
Piccolo 50
Android 18 22.5

Looks pretty clean right?

The only issue doing it this way is that Cell Games Base Trunks is like 10x Android 18.

Seems to be unavoidable at this point.

Also, for the kids to be Cell Jrs level, they need to have done a massive power up from the Buu Saga to Super.

Base Boys (Super) >>> Piccolo > Base Boys Post > Base Boys Pre

I think that's the only way to make sense of it all.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Right, if Gohan is too weak then he’s either below Cell or Cell is multiple times below Kid Gohan. 10/8/6 is the best format we got.

I think it could go like this:

Goku: 225
Vegeta: 180
Gohan: 150
Pui Pui: 100
Kaioshin: 75

How strong is Gotenks Post? 1.5x Pre?

 

[Goku9001]

Since I’m officially out the Freeza>Base team this list is sort of both me testing the waters for a new list and trying to work the Base > Piccolo issue.

Trunks Saga

Mecha Freeza: 160
King Cold: 100

SSJ Trunks: 250
SSJ Goku: 300

Androids Saga

SSJ Goku: 480
~ Sick: 360

SSJ Vegeta: 500
SSJ Trunks: 400

Piccolo: 400
~ Fused with Kami: 720
~ Full power: 800
~ Light Grenade: 2,800

Android 18: 750
Android 17: 800
Android 16: 5,000

Imperfect Cell: 600
~ Post absorptions: 5,000

Semi Perfect Cell: 10,000
~ Full power: 15,000

Vegeta (Post Rosat): 200
~ SSJ: 10,000
~ ASSJ: 25,000

Trunks (Post Rosat): 192
~ SSJ: 9,600
~ ASSJ: 24,000
~ USSJ: 240,000

Perfect Cell: 75,000
~ Buffed up: 300,000

SSJ Goku (Post Rosat, 50%): 337,500

Cell Games

SSJ Goku: 675,000
SSJ Vegeta/Trunks: 450,000

SSJ Gohan: 900,000
~ Enraged: 1,350,000
~ SSJ2: 2,700,000

Cell: 750,000
~ Vs Gohan: 937,500
~ Full power: 1,500,000
~ Giant: 2,000,000
~ Zenkai: 2,500,000

Babidi Saga

Gohan: 15,000
~ SSJ: 750,000
~ SSJ2: 1,500,000

Vegeta: 20,000
~ SSJ: 1,000,000
~ SSJ2: 2,000,000

Goku: 30,000
~ SSJ: 1,500,000
~ SSJ2: 3,000,000

Goten: 720
~ SSJ: 36,000

Trunks: 750
~ SSJ: 37,500

Piccolo: 6,000
Kaioshin: 10,000

Pui Pui: 14,000
Yakon: 28,000

@FeatsofPower @Goku9001 @SIAD so what do you guys think? I think that’s a good placement for Piccolo.

Time for me to try.

Trunks Saga

Mecha Freeza: 160
King Cold: 100

SSJ Trunks
~ vs. Frieza/Goku: 240
~ Full Power: 265
SSJ Goku: 291.5

Androids Saga

Android 19: 300
~ Post: 350

Android 20: 385
~ Post: 455

SSJ Goku: 672
~ Sick (Initial): 470
~ Sicker: 420
~ Post-KHH: 350--

SSJ Vegeta: 700
SSJ Trunks: 645

Piccolo: 560
~ Fused with Kami: 1,008
~ Full power: 1,120
~ Light Grenade: 2,240

Android 18: 1,064
Android 17: 1,120
Android 16: 3,000

Imperfect Cell: 800
~ Post absorptions: 3,000

Semi Perfect Cell: 6,000
~ Full power: 8,000

SSJ Grade 3 Goku: 6,720

Vegeta (Post Rosat): 128
~ SSJ: 6,400
~ ASSJ: 16,000

Trunks (Post Rosat): 120
~ SSJ: 6,000
~ ASSJ: 15,000
~ USSJ: 60,000

Perfect Cell: 14,400
~ Warm Up: 48,000
~ Buffed up: 72,000

SSJ Goku (Post Rosat, 50%): 100,000

Cell Games

SSJ Goku: 200,000
SSJ Vegeta/Trunks: 140,000

SSJ Gohan: 320,000
~ SSJ2: 1,280,000

Cell: 220,000
~ Vs Gohan: 320,000
~ Full power: 576,000
~ Giant: 768,000
~ Zenkai: 1,152,000

Babidi Saga

Gohan: 4,200
~ SSJ: 210,000
~ SSJ2 (Budokai): 840,000
~ SSJ2 (Full Power): 1,680,000

Vegeta: 5,400
~ SSJ: 270,000
~ SSJ2: 1,080,000

Goku: 6,700
~ SSJ: 335,000
~ SSJ2: 1,340,000

Goten: 1,060
~ SSJ: 53,000

Trunks: 1,150
~ SSJ: 57,500

Piccolo: 1,800
Kaioshin: 2,700

Pui Pui: 3,600
Yakon: 6,700

Damn, I think I almost got it.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I don’t think Vegeta and Piccolo would’ve called the Androids weak if they were so far above Trunks.

 

[Goku9001]

I don’t think Vegeta and Piccolo would’ve called the Androids weak if they were so far above Trunks.

Piccolo was uncertain whereas Vegeta called them trash. Goku and Piccolo both approached the Androids being uncertain whether they could beat them despite outstripping Yardrat Goku. It's possible that they expected them to be much, much stronger than Yardrat Goku rather than just being much stronger.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Piccolo’s uncertainty makes me think they’re the androids are around Yardrat Goku, maybe a bit above. It’s a good spot between being strong and weak.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Right, if Gohan is too weak then he’s either below Cell or Cell is multiple times below Kid Gohan. 10/8/6 is the best format we got.

Yeah, the Kid Gohan vs PC gap becomes an issue. I like it around 50-55% or so. That’s always felt right.

I feel like all those Ssj2 powers are close. I hadn’t considered this issue in the past regarding the Vegeta and Goku gap, this probably seals the deal for me.

I got the initial Androids ~ Yardrat Goku.