Cell-Saga levels :cage2 :cage2 :cage2

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Did you edit this list from earlier today or have I become amnesiac? Just curious since it doesn't say "Edited by 2kewl4u..." under your post.

I think you have become amnesiac.

 

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jk

plz get no treatment now

ye, i did edit some numbers from cell-games & ssj-grade-iii trunks, bcoz i didn't think it seemed all that good to me. not that it does now either, but i don't know i just wanted to change a-bit.

 

[ahill1]

Trunks witnessed Goku saying Piccolo wouldn't do any good against Cell and was like "WTF". Piccolo was probably around 50% Goku, but the latter basically implying he is trash against Cell made Trunks realize that Goku's displayed power at Karin's tower wasn't near his full power imo. That's the reason why Vegeta looked a bit confident he would end up the Cell Games but Trunks didn't, despite them being about the same power imo.

 

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Trunks witnessed Goku saying Piccolo wouldn't do any good against Cell and was like "WTF". Piccolo was probably around 50% Goku, but the latter basically implying he is trash against Cell made Trunks realize that Goku's displayed power at Karin's tower wasn't near his full power imo. That's the reason why Vegeta looked a bit confident he would end up the Cell Games but Trunks didn't, despite them being about the same power imo.

But then what does that say about Vegeta's confidence still? Vegeta if he thinks he can be the one to finish-off Cell, don't you think if Trunks was near-even with him, he'd be a-bit more like, "well yeah, Trunks could do it, by the way"?

 

[ahill1]

Because Trunks had a better understanding about Goku's and Cell's power by witnessing Goku's and Piccolo's conversation. I still think Cell Games Vegeta was stronger than Trunks, but the gap should be pretty small imo, as they are grouped together twice by Cell ("Vegeta and Trunks may have improved but they're nothing like you"; "Look, only Vegeta and Trunks are holding their own.").

Besides, did Vegeta know Trunks' power? I think he was only too much focused on Goku's and his own powers.

 

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Because Trunks had a better understanding about Goku's and Cell's power by witnessing Goku's and Piccolo's conversation. I still think Cell Games Vegeta was stronger than Trunks, but the gap should be pretty small imo, as they are grouped together twice by Cell ("Vegeta and Trunks may have improved but they're nothing like you"; "Look, only Vegeta and Trunks are holding their own.").

Besides, did Vegeta know Trunks' power? I think he was only too much focused on Goku's and his own powers.

I'm sure he would have, if not then how is he so confident in himself??? up-to that point trunks has been keeping-up with him every step of the way.

it's not like vegeta & trunks aren't close

how close do u think they are???

i thought it worked well, but how'd u do it, maybe u are right

 

[ahill1]

I have them pretty close:

Cell Junior : 34,000,000,000
Vegeta SSJ : 33,000,000,000
Trunks SSJ : 32,000,000,000

 

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I have them pretty close:

Cell Junior : 34,000,000,000
Vegeta SSJ : 33,000,000,000
Trunks SSJ : 32,000,000,000

For some-one barely fighting evenly, don't you think 97% is too close?

 

[ahill1]

"Barely fighting evenly was said in Herms translations"? In Viz was said both Vegeta and Trunks were holding their own.

Anyway, the panel that showed Vegeta vs Cell Junior depicted them both as nearly equals: Vegeta punched Cell Junior's face and the latter did the same thing to Vegeta with more or less the same intensity. The Cell Junior seemed as uncomfortable as Vegeta.

 

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"Barely fighting evenly was said in Herms translations"? In Viz was said both Vegeta and Trunks were holding their own.

Anyway, the panel that showed Vegeta vs Cell Junior depicted them both as nearly equals: Vegeta punched Cell Junior's face and the latter did the same thing to Vegeta with more or less the same intensity. The Cell Junior seemed as uncomfortable as Vegeta.

That's true, but we also know how Vegeta looked after his fight with the Cell Jr. and how the Cell Jr. looked. To me the Cell Jr. seemed a-bit better-off.

 

[ahill1]

Yeah, right.

Cell Junior - 35
Vegeta - 33
Trunks - 32

I think this looks good, I only think Trunks would be dominated if he was at 91% of the Cell Juniors.

 

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Yeah, right.

Cell Junior - 35
Vegeta - 33
Trunks - 32

I think this looks good, I only think Trunks would be dominated if he was at 91% of the Cell Juniors.

If Trunks was at 91%, it'd be a noticeable difference, but he could still hold his own and get his hits in, in my opinion.

 

[ahill1]

Sure.

Why do you have Super #13 at 1? lol.

 

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Sure.

Why do you have Super #13 at 1? lol.

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http://dbzeta.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2531

 

[ahill1]

@2kewl4u

Great thread. Do you think the KHH is less amplified with the Kaioken??

 

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@2kewl4u

Great thread. Do you think the KHH is less amplified with the Kaioken??

Probably to an extent. At-least in the fight against Freeza it seemed so. Could be different in the fight against Vegeta, though.

Could be an inconsistency, but in the fight against Freeza most likely, yeah.

 

[ahill1]

So if Imperfect Cell's KHH was based on Goku's Saiyan saga KHH, it could be less amplified, no?

 

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So if Imperfect Cell's KHH was based on Goku's Saiyan saga KHH, it could be less amplified, no?

Imperfect-Cell's KHH could be the same as Saiyan-Saga Goku's, yeah but that was already over 2x.

 

[ahill1]

So if Imperfect Cell's KHH was based on Goku's Saiyan saga KHH, it could be less amplified, no?

Imperfect-Cell's KHH could be the same as Saiyan-Saga Goku's, yeah but that was already over 2x.

I'd like to have the Kamehameha amplifying the Kaioken 1.1x, because:

---The Kaioken amplifies the base 2x
----The KHH amplifies the base 2.22x
-----So, the KHH would amplify the Kaioken by 1.1x

But how about the Kaioken x3++? The KHH would let it weaker? lol.

 

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So if Imperfect Cell's KHH was based on Goku's Saiyan saga KHH, it could be less amplified, no?

Imperfect-Cell's KHH could be the same as Saiyan-Saga Goku's, yeah but that was already over 2x.

I'd like to have the Kamehameha amplifying the Kaioken 1.1x, because:

---The Kaioken amplifies the base 2x
----The KHH amplifies the base 2.22x
-----So, the KHH would amplify the Kaioken by 1.1x

But how about the Kaioken x3++? The KHH would let it weaker? lol.

You'd either have to stop lower it at some-point and keep it stagnant after a certain point.

But Cell wasn't in Kaio-Ken, though.