Cell Saga Power Levels

[p123]

Oh, I don't think they rival Gohan. There should still be a significant gap there. Goten can't hit Gohan.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I'm pretty sure i have told you that twice on Neo before, but here goes again:

How many hits Gohan land on Goten?

 

[p123]

I don't think we saw the entire sparring segment. Goten seems to imply that Gohan is superior to him with that statement.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Gohan definitely is superior. It's not by a big margin though. They're still rivaling as Gohan considers him a good sparring partner and is bitting the bullet to block Goten's blows:

 

[p123]

That's sparring, not a fight. Zarbon can't land a hit on Vegeta, yet Trunks can, is Trunks 90% of Vegeta now?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

It was a glancing blow. And we also know that Vegeta being able to sense Ki puts him a few steps above Zarbon on reaction speed.

 

[p123]

Tien not sensing ki didn't seem to make much of a difference when he fought Weighted Goku, Freeza fighting Goku didn't make all that big of a difference with Freeza being unable to sense ki.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Tenshinhan can sense Ki.
Chapter: 156, P13.1-5
Context: still talking about Piccolo's full power
Tenshinhan: “A-an absolutely incredible ki!”

And not being able to sense Ki actually affected Goku vs Freeza. Remember when Goku sneaked on Freeza firing those two ki blasts to distract him? Or how he outspeeded 100% Freeza at the begining of their fight and snapped his hand?

 

[p123]

So Tien's ki sensing is superior to Goku at Popo?

Vs Freeza it didn't make a dramatic difference at even levels, against any of the Z Team. Didn't make a real difference. Power was still by far the most important aspect.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Perhaps, i don't really know. Goku wasn't shown to sense Ki until he drank the Choushinsui, so it wouldn't surprise me if Tenshinhan's ki sensing was better than Kid Goku's.

Freeza is definitely a curious case here. Theorically he should've been sitting on his ass even longer than Dodoria and Zarbon were, but he's shown to be an excpetional fighter. Masters like Goku and Piccolo aren't schooling him on equal power fights. Might ask VoR what he thinks on this Freeza issue. He's either gonna give some spetacular explanation or ignore because it's debunking his "Power is nothing" stuff.

 

[p123]

I think it's one of those things that get sold as a big deal, but aren't that big of a deal. I'd love to hear VOR explain that Goku > Popo but Popo can defeat Goku because he can sense ki yet Freeza still fights well against Goku even though he can't.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Yeah i'd definitely love to see him explaining that.

 

[p123]

These are absolutely masterful.