Completed Cell Games/Buu Saga Levels

[FeatsofPower]

I'm finally done. This hit everything I want...


It's a huge increase of numbers from before, but that's what happens when you really take those Buu Saga Base Saiyans powers seriously. The only ones I didn't take seriously is the Base Gotenks situation, opting for GSM's explanation. I think I've figured out everything else and it is what it is with that situation for me. Forgot Zeta Gohan will add him in later.

Ultimate Gohan is 60x Ssj3 Goku
Gotenks is 40x stronger than Goku

A Super Saiyan going Super Saiyan 3 is like a Super Saiyan using Kkx20.

Super Saiyan = 50x Boost
Super Saiyan 2= 4x Boost
Super Saiyan3 = 5x Boost

No Gohan rage boost at the CG.

Sometimes I opted to make people equals even though one may be a little bit stronger just for orderliness.

Went with Base Vegetto > Base Gokan route. I think I like it. Especially with Vegetto being the last power in the series. No way am I ever going to do Super that junk is way too much nonsense.

Opted for 50x consistency for Super Saiyan opposed to 10x. It's just the better overall option even though the writer didn't seem to intend for it to be that large in many places it feels.

Still haven't done the Grade forms powers yet, but I think Goten and Trunks end up around Super Vegeta level perhaps? I have to spend a lot more time on how I am going to work these things.

Never had so much spacing like I did now, it's very freeing. Imperfect Cell is 4x Piccolo. Plenty of room to make Light Grenade a nice 2x boost and Cell double that. Honestly the only list I didn't have to tighten that gap tremendously.

Humans are hitting Vegeta and Initial Freeza on Namek levels. Never reach Base Goku Namek levels. Well maybe they do by the Buu Saga I forgot to include them.

This is my masterpiece for the DBZ community.

Cell Games


Yamcha 3,000,000
Tien 4,500,000
Krillen 5,000,000

Piccolo 3,750,000,000

Android #16 10,000,000,000

Trunks 20,000,000,000

Vegeta 20,000,000,000

Goku 30,000,000,000

Gohan 45,000,000,000

Super Saiyan Trunks 1,000,000,000,000

Super Saiyan Vegeta 1,000,000,000,000

Cell Juniors 1,000,000,000,000

Super Saiyan Goku 1,500,000,000,000

Perfect Cell (Powered Up) 1,650,000,000,000

Perfect Cell (Real Speed) 2,250,000,000,000

Super Saiyan Gohan 2,250,000,000,000

Perfect Cell (Full Power) 5,000,000,000,000

Perfect Cell (Buff) 7,500,000,000,000

Super Perfect Cell 8,500,000,000,000

Super Saiyan 2 Gohan 9,000,000,000,000









Buu Saga


Android #18 2,250,000,000
Goten 2,400,000,000
Trunks 2,500,000,000
Piccolo 5,000,000,000
Kaioshin 7,500,000,000
Estimated Saiyans 10,000,000,000
Pui Pui 15,000,000,000

Gohan 30,000,000,000
Vegeta 40,000,000,000
Majin Yakkon 45,000,000,000
Goku 50,000,000,000

Super Saiyan Goten 120,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Trunks 125,000,000,000

Gotenks 1,100,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan 1,500,000,000,000
Majin Dabura 1,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta 2,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku 2,500,000,000,000

Super Saiyan 2 Gohan 6,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta 8,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 Goku 10,000,000,000,000

Good Buu 15,000,000,000,000
Evil Buu 25,000,000,000,000
Mr. Buu 35,000,000,000,000
Fat Buu 40,000,000,000,000
Kid Buu 50,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 Goku 50,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Gotenks 55,000,000,000,000




Super Saiyan Gotenks (Post RoSaT) 100,000,000,000,000
Super Buu 100,000,000,000,000

Super Saiyan 2 Gotenks 400,000,000,000,000

Super Buu 2,000,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks 2,000,000,000,000,000

Ultimate Gohan 3,000,000,000,000,000

Buutenks 4,000,000,000,000,000

Gokan 4,500,000,000,000,000

Buuhan 5,000,000,000,000,000

Vegetto 5,000,000,000,000,000

Super Saiyan Vegetto 250,000,000,000,000,000

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

That 4x SSJ2 multiplier goes so smooth. And Base Gotenks below all adult SSJs? Pretty ballsy for you. I like those late Boo Saga gaps.

Here's a bomb I've been wanting to drop for a while: SSJ Gohan probably isn't much stronger than Goku in the Cell Games. We've been overcomplicating this gap for years, but it's pretty simple: Cell underestimates Gohan. He senses his Ki, attacks him and is surprised he can't catch or damage him. He's in plain denial that Gohan is stronger than the mighty Goku and used less effort on him. So "full speed" is the speed he was using against Goku, not some arbitrary speed up nowhere near his FP speed.

 

[Kyo]

Gohan still thinks his dad and Cell weren't anything he couldn't keep up with, but he has trouble keeping up when they actually fight.

 

[Goku9001]

Gohan still thinks his dad and Cell weren't anything he couldn't keep up with, but he has trouble keeping up when they actually fight.

What're you talking about? Gohan literally had no problems keeping up with Cell (vs. Goku).

 

[Kyo]

Correct.

 

[Super Kaioken Fan]

That 4x SSJ2 multiplier goes so smooth. And Base Gotenks below all adult SSJs? Pretty ballsy for you. I like those late Boo Saga gaps.

Here's a bomb I've been wanting to drop for a while: SSJ Gohan probably isn't much stronger than Goku in the Cell Games. We've been overcomplicating this gap for years, but it's pretty simple: Cell underestimates Gohan. He senses his Ki, attacks him and is surprised he can't catch or damage him. He's in plain denial that Gohan is stronger than the mighty Goku and used less effort on him. So "full speed" is the speed he was using against Goku, not some arbitrary speed up nowhere near his FP speed.

Thats A Good List

 

[FeatsofPower]

That 4x SSJ2 multiplier goes so smooth.

Indeed it does I love this play of numbers here… It’s a beautiful set of numbers with perfect spacing and feels right.

Base 3, 4, 4.5, 5
Ssj 1.5, 2, 2.25, 2.5
Ssj 2 5, 6, 8, 10

And Base Gotenks below all adult SSJs? Pretty ballsy for you. I like those late Boo Saga gaps.

Can’t beat the Gotenks/Gohan gaps

2, 3, 4, 4.5, 5

Umm yeah I’m going to rock your idea and see what happens

 

[Goku9001]

@FeatsofPower

What made you defer from Base Gotenks (Post) > SSJ Gotenks (Pre)?

 

[FeatsofPower]

@FeatsofPower

What made you defer from Base Gotenks (Post) > SSJ Gotenks (Pre)?

Just trying out GSM's logic, typical gag logic stuff. Base Gotenks is a gag and hand waving it essentially.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

That’s not quite what I think though. It’s more like Gotenks is never right and Piccolo is just trusting him because he’s desperate. He keeps suggesting SSJ Gotenks might turn the tables somehow as he gets stomped.

It’s pretty much a replay of Base Pre, with Piccolo taking the role of Kuririn and Yamcha.

 

[Goku9001]

Just trying out GSM's logic, typical gag logic stuff. Base Gotenks is a gag and hand waving it essentially.

I agree it's a gag but a pretty damn good one.

 

[FeatsofPower]

For sure, I'm more or less just trying it out for now. But many people could easily see this as a pure gag and hand waive all implications and keep it moving like majority of the fandom does.

Remember there's the factor of KibitoShin as well. Kaioshin should be much stronger than the Base Boys, and shouldn't Kibito be too? Yet, KibitoShin is much weaker than Vegeta.

Certainly Base Gotenks Pre and KibitoShin have some sort of correlation in power here, right?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Chapter: 447 (DBZ 253), P3.2-4
Goku: “Is he amazing?...”
Kaioshin: “Of course…He’s the king of the Dark Demon Realm, after all…One of you people is probably the #1 in this world, but in the other world, the world of demons, Dabra is absolutely on top…”
Kuririn: “Th-the king of the Demon Realm, you say?...There’s a world like that?...S-so he’s probably an incredibly dangerous opponent, right…!?”

So Kaioshin never doubted Saiyans > Pui Pui? Yakon is excused because he’s from the demon realm.

@FeatsofPower Kibitoshin gets a lesser boost because there’s a big gap between them.

 

[FeatsofPower]

So Kaioshin never doubted Saiyans > Pui Pui? Yakon is excused because he’s from the demon realm.

Then why was he so impressed with Vegeta?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Because Vegeta is stronger than he expected duh. Lame ass question.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Because Vegeta is stronger than he expected duh. Lame ass question.

How does he know how strong Vegeta is?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

By sensing his Ki?

I was going to say there was something more important we should be wondering, but I totally forgot what it was. I think it was the “probably” - he knew the Saiyans could be stronger, but he wasn’t sure. Not even arguing Shin > Pui like Kyo in the other thread, just looks like the story never made Pocus > Shin to be a massive.

 

[FeatsofPower]

By sensing his Ki?

Can Shin sense Pui Pui’s ki?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Can Shin sense Pui Pui’s ki?

Nope. Not sure if Pui Pui’s movements are enough for a estimative either, but they might be.

Pui Pui stops mattering the moment the fight starts. Shin saw Vegeta was the real hot shit there.

 

[Kyo]

Pui Pui throws one kick. That's it. Realistically, that should still be enough for onlookers to gauge his level if they really wanted to, but Vegeta receives all the attention in this sequence. If Vegeta far exceeds expectations, then that's all Kaioshin is gonna think about.
Kaioshin was worried about what advantage the planet Zun would provide Pui Pui even after Vegeta punched his face in, and it turns out it was just 10G, something Vegeta grew up with. I mean, really, the sequence writes itself.