Could Goku and Ultimate Gohan even fuse?

[Six Trails]

Chapter: 469 (DBZ 275), P6.1-7
Context: after Goku laments that Gohan and Vegeta are dead
Goku: “So you know about it, Dende…! That’s right, some people from Metamor who I met in the afterlife taught me that art…It’s a merging technique which can only be performed if two people are fairly close in both power and body size…In other words, by having two people merge into one, they’re able to become a single, new human with amazing power which either of them on their own absolutely wouldn’t be capable of. It really is incredible! Those two from Metamor were completely weak and gentle on their own, but by using Fusion they transformed into a substantial warrior! [ ] …I was just taught the art, but I ain’t never tested it out…There wasn’t anybody on par with me in the afterlife…”

Goku says here that two people have to be close in power to use Fusion. That's different from having to match your battle powers to do the technique. Even ignoring Gotenks power implications and/or nerfing gaps, it's impossible for Goku to be considered "close" to Gohan since he is definitely weaker than Evil Boo who got trampled by Gohan. So could Goku and Gohan really fuse?

 

[Ultimate Cell]

Fusion Dance, They could but Gohan would have to lower his Ki to match Goku. Potarra definitely .

 

[Six Trails]

You have to match your power levels when you do the dance, but you have to be close in power to fuse in the first place.

 

[Papasmurf]

A 100x difference isn't much in Super seeing as plot boosts are generated on the spot a la Hit's bullshit improvement and the entirety of Future Trunks' arc.

 

[Six Trails]

I could possibly see pre-ritual Gohan being considered "fairly close" to Goku since the gap wouldn't even be close to 2x, but by no stretch of the imagination could I see SS3 Goku being described as "fairly close" to Ultimate Gohan. Gohan was brought "far, far" beyond his limits, which would already exceed Goku's limits.

 

[Classic Adamas]

It doesn't specify how close they need to be, and considering Goku was thinking about it, they probably could.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I'd say they should be able to. Goku is pretty much the character most well versed in Metamoran Fusion out of those shown, so his opinion on the matter should take precedence. We're never given anything implying that two vastly different Kis can't fuse if one supresses itself to equal levels, so the "fact unless contradicted" rule ought to apply here. The equal power part of the statement would have to refer to the power they displayed at the time of fusion rather than their full power, otherwise suppressing one's Ki would've been a redundant necessity.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Tbh Goku was quite desperated at time, so it wouldn't surprise me if he was just suggesting the first thing to appear on his mind, even if it's a flawed idea.

 

[SSJ2]

Considering Old Kaioshin didn't contradict that Goku and Gohan would be able to fuse - citing that Boo simply wouldn't give them the time, not that the fusion wouldn't work.. I think it would be possible.

Although the way that quote is worded, Goku certainly does make it sound like he couldn't suppress himself to someone's level in Otherworld. I mean, we know for fact that Gohan is well above Goku, nerfing or not, so I'm not sure you can make sense of that quote. Old Kaioshin not contradicting it is the reason I'm going with as to why they could do it.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Goku's statement can mean Gohan is closer to Goku than the Metamorians are to Goku.

And Old Kaioshin isn't the right character to contradict Goku when he's never implied to have knowledge on fusion dance...

 

[SSJ2]

On par would not be the wording then, no?

 

[SSJ2]

But Old Kaioshin has knowledge on Super Saiyan potara fusion, why wouldn't he know about fusion dance?

 

[Six Trails]

The equal power part of the statement would have to refer to the power they displayed at the time of fusion rather than their full power, otherwise suppressing one's Ki would've been a redundant necessity.

Goku says you have to be "fairly close" in power to fuse, but when you do the dance you need to match your Kis exactly. The reason for suppression is to be symmetrical while doing the dance. That's why similar heights and body types are required as well.

Personally, I just think Toriyama forgot the rules he established for Fusion. I doubt he forgot how much stronger he made Gohan/Gotenks since he later has Goku saying that he's absolutely no match for Evil Boo.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

This dangerously reminds me of this topic... 2

 

[SSJ2]

Don't ignore me.

 

[Boo Brand Milk]

Tbh Goku was quite desperated at time, so it wouldn't surprise me if he was just suggesting the first thing to appear on his mind, even if it's a flawed idea.

C'mon bro, only stupid ideas allowed.

 

[Warmmedown]

If it's potara, probably they can.

 

[Six Trails]

If it's potara, probably they can.

 

[SSJ2]

GreatSaiyaman, don't fucking ignore me.

 

[Six Trails]

But Old Kaioshin has knowledge on Super Saiyan potara fusion, why wouldn't he know about fusion dance?

Because the Fusion dance isn't a technique made by the Kaioshins.