Could Gotenks & Super-Boo be equal?

[Fantastische Hure]

The reason Boo let himself get beat-up so much was so that he was 100% sure that Gotenks'd be confident enough to fuse and fight him again so he could absorb.

 

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I have Gotenks slightly stronger.

 

[Pinocchimon]

I do think gotenks was stronger than him indeed. Their last exhcange clearly showed that

 

[Papasmurf]

I think Gotenks was slightly stronger. If he was weaker or equal the SSJ3 ki drain would put him at a disadvantage before the form ran out.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Gotenks definitely held the advantage against Boo, evident from the last portion of their fight. There was no reason to hold back when it definitely seemed that if not for Gotenks' SS3 form wearing out (something he wouldn't be able to factor in), he seemed very much in imminent danger of possibly being destroyed by a Kamehameha.

The main argument for placing them as equals tends to be Boo stating Gohan was the power that was growing beyond his own or saying that Boo's loss of Shouki from Gotenks matching him are what tipped the scales. The latter seems very unlikely when he was able to play a strategic move when faced with someone even stronger and the former doesn't seem like something he'd get worked up about when he was made aware during the final portion of the fight that Gotenks' existence was a temporary one.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I don't think fusion has the drain, its draw-back from SSJ3 is the even more limited time.

I think it's possible Boo let Gotenks beat him up as bad as he did, because he wanted Gotenks to be over-confident for his plan to work. If Boo and Gotenks fought on-par with each-other, Boo might have thought they wouldn't be as confident to fight him again and rather let Gohan handle it. He was just making 100% sure. Even Piccolo IIRC said it was the first time Boo fought with someone on his level.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

If a decisive move were to come from Gotenks and thinking that Boo is on-par with Gotenks he could have always dodged at said moment.

 

[Papasmurf]

I don't think fusion has the drain, its draw-back from SSJ3 is the even more limited time.

I think it's possible Boo let Gotenks beat him up as bad as he did, because he wanted Gotenks to be over-confident for his plan to work. If Boo and Gotenks fought on-par with each-other, Boo might have thought they wouldn't be as confident to fight him again and rather let Gohan handle it. He was just making 100% sure. Even Piccolo IIRC said it was the first time Boo fought with someone on his level.

No, the form definitely still has the ki drain while in fusion. Gotenks' SSJ3 form ran out before his fusion did.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I don't think fusion has the drain, its draw-back from SSJ3 is the even more limited time.

I think it's possible Boo let Gotenks beat him up as bad as he did, because he wanted Gotenks to be over-confident for his plan to work. If Boo and Gotenks fought on-par with each-other, Boo might have thought they wouldn't be as confident to fight him again and rather let Gohan handle it. He was just making 100% sure. Even Piccolo IIRC said it was the first time Boo fought with someone on his level.

No, the form definitely still has the ki drain while in fusion. Gotenks' SSJ3 form ran out before his fusion did.

It ran-out because his fusion was about to end, I think.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

How was Super-Boo able to maintain Gotenks' SSJ3 power? All he was worried about was the time-limit.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I think it's possible Boo let Gotenks beat him up as bad as he did, because he wanted Gotenks to be over-confident for his plan to work. If Boo and Gotenks fought on-par with each-other, Boo might have thought they wouldn't be as confident to fight him again and rather let Gohan handle it. He was just making 100% sure. Even Piccolo IIRC said it was the first time Boo fought with someone on his level.

That would be assuming he was aware of Gohan's power surpassing his long beforehand, which his actions prior to getting beat up by Gohan don't seem to imply, especially when Gotenks wasn't able to sense Gohan's power up from the Kaioshinkai when in the same area as Boo at that point.

 

[Papasmurf]

How was Super-Boo able to maintain Gotenks' SSJ3 power? All he was worried about was the time-limit.

Probably because Boo was one with Gotenks at the time, and Boos have infinite stamina. Gotenks' fusion also lasted the full 30 minutes while inside Boo.

I don't think fusion has the drain, its draw-back from SSJ3 is the even more limited time.

I think it's possible Boo let Gotenks beat him up as bad as he did, because he wanted Gotenks to be over-confident for his plan to work. If Boo and Gotenks fought on-par with each-other, Boo might have thought they wouldn't be as confident to fight him again and rather let Gohan handle it. He was just making 100% sure. Even Piccolo IIRC said it was the first time Boo fought with someone on his level.

No, the form definitely still has the ki drain while in fusion. Gotenks' SSJ3 form ran out before his fusion did.

It ran-out because his fusion was about to end, I think.

Vegetto didn't revert to base before he defused, though

 

[Fantastische Hure]

He seemed alarmed when he sensed Gohan though IIRC. Not only that but he let Gotenks be just in-case.

Did it last 30 minutes? Did Gotenks ever tell Boo that as SSJ3 he only has 5 minutes? If not then Boo being taken off-guard by the fusion having worn-off'd make sense.

 

[Papasmurf]

Gotenks didn't say it was 5 minutes specifically but he did say he could only stay SSJ3 for a short time and that he'd need an hour to recharge afterwards.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

See?

And by the way Boo said they could get started fast because of the time-limit also seems to imply Boo doesn't have it any better than Gotenks.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Vegetto didn't?

In DB-Super he did.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Did it last 30 minutes? Did Gotenks ever tell Boo that as SSJ3 he only has 5 minutes? If not then Boo being taken off-guard by the fusion having worn-off'd make sense.

When Boo was still in the crater after having been beat down to Earth by Gotenks, the latter informed him he'd need another hour before he could fight Boo if he "lost this form".

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It's pretty arguable if he was talking about his fusion or SS3 form in specific. In either case, he didn't give Boo much of an indication on how long he could maintain it for, so assuming Boo was simply trying to outlast him is a stretch.

It's also worth noting that Gohan didn't go Ultimate until after Gotenks' SS3 form wore off, making the assumption that absorbing Gotenks was all part of Boo's grand plan at the time even less likely. The most likely chain of events is Gotenks overpowered Boo, Gohan overpowered Boo even further and it was just before his self-destruction that Boo came up with his plan.

 

[Papasmurf]

Vegetto didn't?

In DB-Super he did.

He defused, but he didn't revert back to base. He defused while still transformed to SSJ/SSJB respectively.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Vegetto didn't?

In DB-Super he did.

He defused, but he didn't revert back to base. He defused while still transformed to SSJ/SSJB respectively.

Obviously Toyotaro forgot to draw the panel.

 

[Papasmurf]

See?

And by the way Boo said they could get started fast because of the time-limit also seems to imply Boo doesn't have it any better than Gotenks.

No, Boo definitely has it better than Gotenks. He states he should still have 10 minutes to beat up Gohan after spending a while fighting: