Damage Levels (Goku vs Cell)

[p123]

Cell gets blown up, regenerates, fights some more, tons of ki blasts thrown his way and he is still stated to be impossible for the group to gang up on and win. Does anyone dare to show the various damage levels of mighty Cell?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Cell can't be taken by a team because of his reserves though. Trunks planned on giving a Senzu to Goku before ganging up.

I don't bother much with their damaged levels as it's anyone's fucking guess. I'd have post spam Goku below his Base level given his perfomance against the Jrs being worst than Piccolo's though.

 

[sei'taer]

"Goku would rather die than win that way!"

*goku does exactly that a week earlier vs android 19*

Anyway, damaged cell doesn't seem concerned with fighting full power goku again, that should give you an idea of his strength after the fight. If he's still stronger than goku fighting everyone else at once wouldn't really matter as they're much weaker than goku, and he's not aware of gohan's power yet.

Chapter: 402 (DBZ 208), P10.5
Context: when Goku refuses to eat a senzu
Cell: “What’s the matter? Is your pride preventing you from eating a senzu? I’ve lost quite a lot of stamina now. If you regain your full power, the chance of you being able to win will increase just a little bit. I want to have even more fun…!”

 

[p123]

I don't think the team thought Cell had reserves. Goku doesn't announce that until later?

EDIT
I guess Cell states he has reserves with that line right there...


@GS

Base Goku > Super Saiyan Goku (Fatigued) is a travesty in my opinion. Piccolo is just that strong, Goku isn't that weak. He's probably still like 40% of his power or so...

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

He does imply so. He says their chances of winning can get slightly higher if they give Goku a Senzu and attack together. Given Goku's perfomance not being half bad, i doubt the help of another 8 guys won't give him the decisive edge.

 

[sei'taer]

I don't have any problem with it, in MSSJ state his chi can be anything between his normal walking around power and his max. Goku's fight with the cell junior are comparable to the humans even without comparing him directly to piccolo.

 

[p123]

So you think Goku's more weakened than Kid Gohan was when he lost half his power? Any reason why?

 

[ahill1]

Well, if Cell is still willing to fight a full power Goku, Vegeta should be smart enough to realize Cell still has big reserves of power, no? Unless they all think that weakened Cell (which was far from the level he begun fighting 100% Goku with) was powerful enough to take out Goku post the Senzu Bean, which seems kind of ridiculous imo. So if Vegeta thinks Cell is still hiding his ture power, then it's possible he was taking that into account when saying no one there has a shot at beating Cell, considered such statement was made after Cell motivated Goku to be back at full power.

 

[p123]

No sensu bean, no powering up for Cell.

He fights Vegeta, how does that go?

 

[ahill1]

I don't know.

 

[sei'taer]

So you think Goku's more weakened than Kid Gohan was when he lost half his power? Any reason why?

He's incapable of fighting at all. He's clearly exhausted, where as gohan is able to continue to fight even with one arm. Goku is completely spent.

 

[p123]

Gohan was going to give up. Goku had to convince him to give it a shot.

Why do you think Goku is incapable of fighting at all? Goku still held on to his ki pretty well when he had no limbs when Piccolo Jr tore him apart.

Are you saying that Goku at the Cell Game is in worse position than he was at the 23rd Budokai?

 

[Victorious]

Vegeta is 75% max of post fight Cell. He gets stomped. Cell would not need to power up.or eat a senza to.trash him, Future Trunks or Kamiccolo.

 

[Castiel]

Goku's aura was blazing while he was on the ground fighting the Cell Jrs. while it wasn't against Cell in the warm-up stages of their fight, anyone think that is of any importance?


I have no real problem with Piccolo being that strong at the CGs, because I have low SSJin multipliers and I believe that giving Gohan a rage boost against Cell solves a lot of problems in the Boo Saga.

 

[p123]

As I said before Base Goku > Tired Ssj Goku is lol

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

And Goku didn't have an aura while showing his power to Karin. Tired Goku > 50% Goku?

 

[p123]

What implies he's weakened as much as Super Saiyan 2 Kid Gohan post Cell's blast?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

The fact he's getting beaten up badly by the Jrs while Vegeta and Trunks are fighting evenly, and they barely surpass 50% Goku. Even weak ass Piccolo is enduring the beatdown while Goku is beaten to the ground.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Cell gets blown up, regenerates, fights some more, tons of ki blasts thrown his way and he is still stated to be impossible for the group to gang up on and win. Does anyone dare to show the various damage levels of mighty Cell?

I think they all suspected Cell had reserves or they thought he was just so stupid that he believed he could win in his injured state
against a possible team of a healed Goku and the other Z fighters. The sure thing is he was still above Vegeta/Trunks, otherwise
Vegeta wouldn't have stated they have to pin their hopes on Goku's plan.

My rough take...
Suppressed Cell- 90
Goku- 80
Cell (regen)- 72
Goku (post KHH)- 72
Cell (post fight)- 63
Vegeta/Trunks- 44
Piccolo- 36
Goku (post fight)- 32

 

[p123]

Seems reasonable.

Although Piccolo >> Goku imo.