Damaged Piccolo vs Damaged Vegeta

[Power Level Guy]

If he was at 4,500 post power ball, he was probably 5,000 pre power ball.

How are we so low already?

KKx5 Goku 40,000

Why would Oozaru Vegeta only be slightly above that?

As for Goku, he must be at most at 2,500, because King Kai said that even if Vegeta didn't transform, things would be hard for Goku.

So Goku is far weaker now than his full strength?

I can’t see Vegeta being only 1/3rd of his power at this point. Seems ridiculous.

 

[Hector]

How are we so low already?

KKx5 Goku 40,000

Why would Oozaru Vegeta only be slightly above that?

So Goku is far weaker now than his full strength?

I can’t see Vegeta being only 1/3rd of his power at this point. Seems ridiculous.

Give me your numbers.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Give me your numbers.

I’ve never done this before yet.

Name all the varies versions of Vegeta here

 

[GSM123]

@Power Level Guy @Hector

The power ball was a significant power loss. Definirely bigger than the damage he took from the KHH.

 

[Power Level Guy]

@Power Level Guy @Hector

The power ball was a significant power loss. Definirely bigger than the damage he took from the KHH.

So break it down for us. Show us the varying levels

 

[GSM123]

So break it down for us. Show us the varying levels

I’ll make that thread you asked me to do yesterday. Just can’t make it a full 100% dive yet, just numbers from my list and some comments. I want to reread that part later.

 

[Hector]

I’ve never done this before yet.

Name all the varies versions of Vegeta here

What was Gohan's power when he fought Vegeta? If he was at the same power he showed when fighting Nappa (2,800) Vegeta must be at around 3,000. If Vegeta is higher than that, you must accept that Gohan got a higher enraged boost against him than against Nappa.

 

[Power Level Guy]

What was Gohan's power when he fought Vegeta?

That's what we are trying to figure out. I'd say he's 1,500 post-zenkai, his new enraged power I'm not sure yet.

I feel like no one has really digged into the Saiyan Saga this deeply.

Also, remember, it was the Masenko that was 2,800, not Gohan's actual power.

If Vegeta is higher than that, you must accept that Gohan got a higher enraged boost against him than against Nappa.

You aren't accounting for his zenkai. I don't think the boost should be the same, the enraged boost for Vegeta should be smaller IMO. Or about the same.

 

[Hector]

That's what we are trying to figure out. I'd say he's 1,500 post-zenkai, his new enraged power I'm not sure yet.

I feel like no one has really digged into the Saiyan Saga this deeply.

Also, remember, it was the Masenko that was 2,800, not Gohan's actual power.


You aren't accounting for his zenkai. I don't think the boost should be the same, the enraged boost for Vegeta should be smaller IMO. Or about the same.

I don't think Gohan got a zenkai.

 

[Power Level Guy]

I don't think Gohan got a zenkai.

He had to because a few days later he's stronger than Krillen.

 

[GSM123]

@Power Level Guy I like to keep a consistent 2x boost for enraged Gohan

Vs Nappa: 1250 —> 2500
Vs Vegeta: 1350 —> 2700
Namek: 1500 —> 3000

Alternatively, when he goes from 710 to 1307 it’s a 1.84x boost.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Vs Nappa: 1250 —> 2500
Vs Vegeta: 1350 —> 2700
Namek: 1500 —> 3000

I'm cool with this, but when did it happen on Namek? Our problem here is Gohan > Krillen on the spaceship based on the image training.

 

[Hector]

He had to because a few days later he's stronger than Krillen.

Without his enraged boost?

 

[Power Level Guy]

Without his enraged boost?

Yep, he outdoes Krillen on the spaceship in their image training.

 

[GSM123]

I'm cool with this, but when did it happen on Namek? Our problem here is Gohan > Krillen on the spaceship based on the image training.

When he jumps Dodoria to save Dende. I got Kuririn = Gohan = 1500.

 

[Power Level Guy]

When he jumps Dodoria to save Dende. I got Kuririn = Gohan = 1500.

Gohan should be stronger. He defeated Krillen in training.