DBS Broly vs Jiren

[Ultimate Cell]

R1 SSJ Broly Vs Regular Jiren, R2 LSSJ Broly Vs Regular Jiren. R3 Limits Broken Jiren vs LSSJ Broly [mention]Supreme[/mention] challenge

 

[Captain Cadaver]

By regular Jiren, I'm assuming his full power self prior to breaking his limits? In that case, both anime and manga-wise, Jiren stomps in the first 2 rounds, but loses round 3.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

CHAD Jiren stomps.

 

[Pyro]

By regular Jiren, I'm assuming his full power self prior to breaking his limits? In that case, both anime and manga-wise, Jiren stomps in the first 2 rounds, but loses round 3.

Round 2 is normalSSJ Jiren vs LSS Broly, which you have Broly losing. Then it's an even stronger Jiren vs the same Broly, and you have Broly winning. Did you mean Broly stomps the first two and loses the third?

In my case, I'd go with Broly losing the first round and winning the next two. It's not usually my thing, but I have no issue with the latest and greatest flavor somewhat retconning the previous villain's status. It's not like the Goku and Gohan retcon, which makes absolutely no sense and can't work.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Round 2 is normalSSJ Jiren vs LSS Broly, which you have Broly losing. Then it's an even stronger Jiren vs the same Broly, and you have Broly winning. Did you mean Broly stomps the first two and loses the third?

Didn't notice it was LSSJ Broly in Round 2. In that case, I'd go with Broly stomping in Round 2 and winning with extreme-diff in Round 3.

 

[Pakl]

To be honest, Broli has zero feats to put him ahead of Jiren. The only thing is the fact he is stated to be the strongest enemy in that magazine. However, since Toriyama made that movie, it makes ot really inconsistent to compare Broli to Jiren.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

The only thing is the fact he is stated to be the strongest enemy in that magazine.

Of which is never blatantly contradicted.

However, since Toriyama made that movie, it makes ot really inconsistent to compare Broli to Jiren.

I don't see how. Toriyama seems to have far more involvement with the manga's production, of which never states Jiren > Beerus.

 

[Flame]

Kinda up in the air. Logically Jiren is probably stronger, but I think Broly is supposed to be. So I guess I'll go with Broly.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

To be honest, Broli has zero feats to put him ahead of Jiren. The only thing is the fact he is stated to be the strongest enemy in that magazine. However, since Toriyama made that movie, it makes ot really inconsistent to compare Broli to Jiren.

I thought with this new movie you'd be more objective but you are still down-playing Broly just because you don't like him l0l.

 

[Keedounan]

Anime: Jiren > Broly
Manga: Broly > Jiren

 

[Pakl]

To be honest, Broli has zero feats to put him ahead of Jiren. The only thing is the fact he is stated to be the strongest enemy in that magazine. However, since Toriyama made that movie, it makes ot really inconsistent to compare Broli to Jiren.

I thought with this new movie you'd be more objective but you are still down-playing Broly just because you don't like him l0l.

What downplay? I have never downplayed Broli. I can say the same about you overatting him. All I said is that feats wise, Jiren is more impressive. Hell, a lot of fans over the net argue who is stronger because the movie failed to make Broli look stronger. The feats in the movies are bad, the statements are contradicted ones and so on. I like this Broli. No doubt he is a lot better than the old one.

Also stop saying I don't like him just because I put him where he deserves.

I am also not saying Broli is weaker than Jiren but just that the movie contradicted the series in a lot of things so it was not made clear.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

All I said is that feats wise, Jiren is more impressive. Hell, a lot of fans over the net argue who is stronger because the movie failed to make Broli look stronger.

Not strictly. Jiren overpowering both SSBE Vegeta and KKX20 Blue Goku in the anime was more impressive than Broly stomping two SSBs, but that was far from Broly's peak power and he's later stated to arguably be above Beerus.
Whilst you could say the same for Jiren in the anime, it's arguable if Jiren was even solidly above Beerus. We get Whis' hypothesis that Jiren > Belmod > Beerus, but surely if Jiren was indeed the one Whis referred to, his conclusion would be a bit more solid than a guess. It's also worth noting that guidebook entries only referred to Jiren as on Hakaishin tier, rather than surpassing it.

The Broly movie seems to be trying to fit itself into both the anime and manga continuities, the latter of which provides no evidence of Jiren being above Beerus within it. Granted, there is a guidebook entry for the manga of Jiren being said to have power above the Hakaishin, though the same is said of Broly in another guide entry that also cites him as the strongest enemy yet.

The feats in the movies are bad, the statements are contradicted ones and so on.

How is being possibly stronger than Beerus contradicted?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Feats don't mean much when there are statements (not even statements from only characters themselves which you could argue characters lying/over-estimating or any other number of things, but from the actual people involved with the series/movie). Broly being higher than Jiren is not contradicted thus I don't see a reason for that not being true. Doesn't matter whether Jiren looked more impressive or not. Besides like CC said that wasn't even peak Broly. Broly later-on was fighting on-par with SSJ Gogeta as just a SSJ himself and then transformed after as-well to the point Gogeta transformed to SSJ-Blue to defeat him. Which I can't see Jiren doing.

Also what happened to your last new opponent higher than last villain mentality.

 

[Wogman]

Jiren feats all go down to shit when Broly fought someone who base form is > SSJB Goku

Broly wins

 

[ahill1]

Jiren feats all go down to shit when Broly fought someone who base form is > SSJB Goku

Broly wins

Jiren was also way above SSJB Goku tho'.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

But to this ridiculous extent? Gogeta's regular state is already like >>> SSJ-Blue Goku/Vegeta and Broly was able to fight eventually fight evenly with SSJ Gogeta as just a SSJ himself, so they are about even in equal forms. Not to mention his transformation after-ward.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

But to this ridiculous extent? Gogeta's regular state is already like >>> SSJ-Blue Goku/Vegeta and Broly was able to fight eventually fight evenly with SSJ Gogeta as just a SSJ himself, so they are about even in equal forms. Not to mention his transformation after-ward.

The SSJ multiplier seems to have lowered significantly in the anime's ToP Arc compared to what it was when Goku fought Zamasu to an extent similar to its manga self, given how Base Vegeta was suggested to be somewhat relevant to Frost. Given that, I'd say the scaling for Jiren and LSSJ Broly is still pretty comparable, with Jiren stomping KKx20 SSB Goku being way more impressive than SSJ Gogeta VS SSJ Broly.

It also seemed as though the Broly movie was trying to find some middle ground between the anime and manga continuities by excluding the forms exclusive to either continuity, in which scaling from SSJ Gogeta would be pretty irrelevant when it's made apparent even SSB Vegetto is only slightly stronger than the strongest Hakaishin.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

What do you mean by the last sentence?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

SSB Vegetto being only slightly stronger than Beerus, who shouldn't be leagues above the Belmod Jiren is superior to shows that SSJ Broly ~ SSJ Gogeta >> SSB Goku/Vegeta wouldn't really mean much in supporting Broly's claim manga-wise.

 

[Pyro]

There could also be lengthy gaps between some gods since CSSJB Goku and Vegeta could be candidates in other universes, but are absolutely no match for Beerus. Even if a candidate isn't as strong as a full-fledged god, that's still saying something.