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And yet, with durability apparently 4x higher than what it should be, Vegeta got his shit kicked in by Reecome, etc. It's quite simple why I'm using this as an example, the story stated that Vegeta had a powerlevel of 18K. Yet he obviously survived and tanked damage far beyond that number.
Which says more about Vegeta's durability than the story showing one thing and telling another one. Vegeta had a battle power of 18k and his feats in the Saiyajin saga are tangible with such: he swiftly overwhelmed Goku whilst this latter was using a Kaioken x2, but got his ass kicked when Goku resorted to the x3. Meaning, a 18k battle power suits the situation just fine. He survived some attacks from the x3 level and survived the attack from the Kaioken x4 KMHMH, but it doesn't change the fact that the Kaioken x3 attacks were still able to hurt him badly.

It has nothing to do with the story showing Vegeta still failing to compete with Black upon recovering his stamina yet emphasizing the stamina drain as the most problematic issue they had with SSJB.
I used this moment because it is inconsistent. The story said one thing, quite bluntly too(Vegeta's powerlevel being 18K), and you are claiming it is an entirely different reality.
I am not claiming another thing. The story also showed Vegeta still being overwhelmed by Black after getting a Senzu Bean... such is also in the story. Meanwhile, Vegeta was established as having an 18k battle power (can be even more depending on how you interpret certain events), and such was shown given his performance against a 16k and 24k battle power... he wasn't taken down easily, which might speak more for his durability, tenacity... or just the plot, as he was taken down a lot easier later by Monster Zarbon. The story itself isn't contradicting Vegeta's battle power.
You're acknowledging, but your not understanding, nor are you accepting what the story has blatantly told you, the reader.
I am not failing to understand it. Goku and Vegeta emphasized the power drain as their main -- or only -- problem, but the story still featured a recovered Vegeta failing to keep up with Black. I am merely pointing out a contradiction here, and therefore the reader is kinda free to choose the route they wanna dive in... if they want to see Vegeta and Goku as achieving a power up through their mastery shenanigans, then ok.

It remembers me of Vegeta vs #18, in which Piccolo and co. emphasized Vegeta's lack of stsmina to keep up with #18 as the problem, yet the fight itself clearly shows how hopeless Vegeta truly was.
Yes. It's Toyotaro admitting that Zamasu in all forms isn't that strong. And how two Super Saiyan Blues were more than enough to overwhelm him. Which is evidently the case, as Vegeta when he fixed the stamina drain of Super Saiyan Blue overwhelmed Black, or Goku who was fighting at a continuous 100% of Super Saiyan Blue, went toe to toe with Merged Zamasu.
But it says nothing about either Goku or Vegeta not gaining power after mastering -- in their own unique ways -- the SSJB... it's merely saying how Toriyama didn't envision MZ as this powerful being, but still Toyotaro wished to insert Vegetto in some way to please the fans. For some reason you are trying to push it into Goku and Vegeta merely fixing the strain issue by mastering the Blue form. No.
 

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[mention]Pocket-Gog~[/mention] how strong would you have a hypothetical SSJ3 Vegetto from BoGs?
 

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Gimmie some ref. plz if you can. How does the regular state or higher state compare to highest character in the Boo-Saga?
 

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GreatSaiyaman123 said:
@Pocket-Gog~ how strong would you have a hypothetical SSJ3 Vegetto from BoGs?

Barely stronger than he'd be in Boo arc.

2kewl4u said:
Gimmie some ref. plz if you can. How does the regular state or higher state compare to highest character in the Boo-Saga?

Higher state? :giraffe
 

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Pocket-Gog~ said:
GreatSaiyaman123 said:
@Pocket-Gog~ how strong would you have a hypothetical SSJ3 Vegetto from BoGs?

Barely stronger than he'd be in Boo arc.

2kewl4u said:
Gimmie some ref. plz if you can. How does the regular state or higher state compare to highest character in the Boo-Saga?

Higher state? :giraffe
Like Super-Saiyan or something. Something more than their normal state.
 

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2kewl4u said:
Pocket-Gog~ said:
GreatSaiyaman123 said:
@Pocket-Gog~ how strong would you have a hypothetical SSJ3 Vegetto from BoGs?

Barely stronger than he'd be in Boo arc.

2kewl4u said:
Gimmie some ref. plz if you can. How does the regular state or higher state compare to highest character in the Boo-Saga?

Higher state? :giraffe
Like Super-Saiyan or something. Something more than their normal state.

SSJB is probably twice as strong as SSJ3.
 

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2kewl4u said:
Pocket-Gog~ said:
2kewl4u said:
Like Super-Saiyan or something. Something more than their normal state.

SSJB is probably twice as strong as SSJ3.
I meant for reference how do the characters compare to the highest Boo-Saga character?

Beerus and SSJG Goku one shots Vegetto. Frost, Cabba, Botamo and Magneta get one shot by SSJ Goku in boo arc. Zamasu fights evenly with SSJ3 Goku, while Goku Black one shots, Merged Zamasu one shots as well.
 

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can you plz put vegetto from the boo-saga on the scale? he'd be higher than 1 since battle of gawds goku pre-gawd is lower than vegetto but where'd he rank exactly? what number?
 

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2kewl4u said:
can you plz put vegetto from the boo-saga on the scale? he'd be higher than 1 since battle of gawds goku pre-gawd is lower than vegetto but where'd he rank exactly? what number?

1000 I suppose. It wouldn't work in conjunction with the original Boo arc though.
 

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2kewl4u said:
why not? it didn't retcon much of the status-quo from the boo-saga, iirc.

Beyond implying that Freeza > base Goku, which is a big contradiction.
 
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