DBZeta Watch: 1999 Hunter x Hunter (Plus the Yorkshin OVA)

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Hence why showing the aftermath and lack of wounds at all as opposed to making the implication undeniable through cutting the scene hindered it.
 

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Yeah, they really should've drawn a bleeding wound on Togari's neck if they were gonna show the aftermath of the fight. It's not really in Hisoka's nature to spare a worthless ant like him either, considering he later killed Kastro without hesitation. For what it's worth when the screen goes to red, a cutting sound is definitely heard, so Hisoka definitely attacked him at least.
 

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Also, I'm not sure how integral the primetime viewing was for the censorship when considering the next episode would have Killua remove someone's beating heart when the decapitation could've been shown through a silhouette as the 2011 version was, though it's true Japan's priorities for censorship can vary wildly and inconsistently depending on the era and action.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
Also, I'm not sure how integral the primetime viewing was for the censorship when considering the next episode would have Killua remove someone's beating heart when the decapitation could've been shown through a silhouette as the 2011 version was, though it's true Japan's priorities for censorship can vary wildly and inconsistently depending on the era and action.

Maybe it's because Johness was a homicidal serial killer, while Togari really hasn't tried to kill anyone except Hisoka (who's a mass murderer himself)? Johness got what was coming to him basically, while Togari got attacked through no real fault of his own the last year and only wanted payback.

The series becomes significantly darker in the Yorkshin arc either way, so it's rather puzzling that Togari's death was so censored.
 

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Watched Episodes 17-20 as per my daily quota.

Not much to say about Ep. 17 when it's basically the end of the Trick Tower adapted panel by panel, except that the voiceover work and music help to make the autistic as fuck scenes of everybody fellating Gon for coming up with the INGENIOUS AS FUCK plan of breaking a wall down a little harder to swallow (no pun intended) :manabu

One thing I did like was how the constant O X choice making shenanigan was skipped in a clip show, and that Gon playing Janken with the others here makes him developing Jajanken a bit more natural (can't remember if this was in the manga or 2011).




Episode 18 is where it then becomes interesting. Whereas the manga went right ahead into Phase 4 of the Hunter Exams (which is quite honestly the last phase that's actually a challenge, since the nature of the final tournament ensures that almost everybody passes), here instead we have all of the contestants being flown into some kind of hot-ass island resort that's rife with gags and character moments. Since all three connect into each other to make a mini-arc of filler, I'll treat the three as essentially segments of one long episode.

So, the first segment begins with the Hunter examinees being led into what they would later discover to be a trap - an island resort vacation place for the 36 examinees who passed Phase 3. I got a good laugh at rooms in such a precariously placed island resort being so expensive, particularly in the amount that's specified - 10 million Zeni. Did Togashi take inspiration from Toriyama with the prize money for winning the 25th Budokai being 10 million Zeni, or is this another Jojo Dragon Quest reference? :troll Then this is followed up by a mostly boring underwater goose chase for treasure, but at least they adequately explained how it helps test a Hunter Examinee's capacities for treasure hunting. Pretty good character moments all around with the constant gags of guys like Hanzo and Tonpa trading rooms only to end up in a more unenviable room placement, and Kurapika revealing the priceless nature of his clansmen's red eyes, and the Kurta clan members who escaped here sinking underwater helps to add to his personal tragedy, and add more fuel to the fire of him wanting to avenge his clan by capturing all of the Phantom Troupe. It was pretty cool that the old couple who ran this treasure island weren't just filthy money grubbing assholes and in fact have an appreciation for the fact that treasure belongs in the place it was laid to rest in. Then this is followed up by the plot twist of the two hijacking the blimp so the next two phases of this 3-part episode can begin!




Episode 19 helps show that this isn't just a generic time waster similar to the typical shonen like Bulma running into Ginyu the Frog. Firstly, the fact that that black guy who later ends up trying to steal Gon's number plate gets saved by Gon, and that many of the other Hunter Examinees who later end up enemies have to work with each other to survive makes this three-parter perhaps the best filler the series has seen yet. The fact that all of the Hunter Examinees had some form of transportation available to get to the other island on the map helped retain the "Can't let your guard down for even one second" kind of feeling we had in Trick Tower, again cementing the fact that this is pretty good filler. It was nice to see that they were planning ahead with Leorio's seemingly wasted attempt at gathering treasure come to actually play a role here when they used his cannonballs and artillery that the others found to blast open some of the rocks nearby. The fact that this is a once-a-decade crisis also helps to add more to the tension, again making it good filler. The fact that there is a huge cyclone approaching the seemingly useless pile of crap that is the ship they'll use to escape this predicament helps end the episode on a frightful note.




Then this is all followed by Episode 20 which is a mixed bag. While I liked most of the elements of the finale of the "Phase 3.5" of the Hunter Exams, Gon managing to not drown for what seems to be at least 15 minutes underwater just because he's the main character saving his comrade was contrived, which is later worsened by him saying he couldn't breathe because his head was underwater for like 1/25th of the episode :punk
I also heavily disliked how unrealistic the final solution of the conflict was, just shooting artillery at a gigantic sea storm to calm it down. Clearly the writers don't know much about real world physics, because anything even near the scale of Hurricane Katrina packs energy that is many, many times a fucking nuke, much less old ship artillery.

That being said, I liked the scenes of everybody teaming up to escape this predicament, and Illumi faintly revealing himself to a half-unconscious Kurapika was pretty interesting and serves to show that the freaky studded face guy was a lot more than he appears at first glance. It's also interesting that the Pokkle x that poison girl shipping moments that were seen in this episode would come to be later accepted as part of HxH's canon in the Chimera Ant arc, making this filler even more interesting and valuable as part of the series' history in retrospect.

All in all, despite having some issues this is the way to do a miniature filler arc (it even weeded out a third of the contestants!), unlike the average Naruto/Shitpuden or DBZ/One Piece/Bleach filler that just serves as a time waster. Oops, can't forget that even the Bount arc and other Bleach fillers are better than most of Bleach and Super's canon :ha :ha :ha

Looking forward to watching how they handle the goose chase for Gon and his whole interaction with Hisoka (who really gets his freak on in the next few episodes, as seen in my avatar). The fact that 12 contestants were eliminated during this filler makes me curious as to whether 36 or 24 was the original number of Trick Tower survivors in the manga, though not to the extent of bothering to check it :cena
 

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Episode 17 - The wait before the last majority rule decision is the one instance thus far in which the 1999 anime was faster paced than the 2011 version with it being reduced to a short montage rather than showing the characters trying to sleep. I'd say this is one case thus far though where faster pacing certainly wasn't better as it omitted things such as Gon showing Killua his talent at fishing and Killua showing his skills at trickery, the former of which would become relevant very soon and the latter of which was an important part of his strategies in Greed Island.
For the decision of going about the last decision, both versions have their strengths. The '99 version has more of a dynamic entry with the use of Killua's skateboard, whereas the 2011 version has better suspense with it initially seeming as though Leorio and Tonpa were left behind. I'd probably say the 2011 version was a better choice there.
Comparisons aside, this part of the Exam in both is pretty good at testing the unity of the group as well as displaying each character's priorities. In particular, Killua choosing the path that would lead to someone being abandoned adds more weight to his development later with prioritising his friendship with Gon.




Episode 18 - Not so keen on the idea of a filler mini-arc within the Hunter Exam with how long it already was for an introductory arc, with this initial episode of it not really offering anything more than the manga did. The introduction to some of the more minor candidates of the Hunter Exam had more flavour to it than the 2011 version though with things such as Sommy's comedic relief or Tonpa's constant room switching. Decent for the moment of reprieve it was going for, but far from an essential addition. The namedrops of a few parts of the world's history don't really offer much when the concepts weren't explored and only showcased what we already knew of Kurapika's savvy nature, though the early reference to Yorknew was decent. Also quite a coincidence that Kurapika would have originally been roomates with Hanzo considering the alliance they have in the manga's current arc.
Killua's introduction to fishing as well as Gon's coaching of him are fairly lacking compared to the 2011 version though, for reasons already mentioned.




Episodes 19 and 20 - Not much to say about the boat filler. The implementation of a stage in which candidates had to use their initiative to pass was a good idea, though this mini-arc being dragged out for 3 episodes was unnecessary. It does help showcase the abilities of some characters that wouldn't be given much shine in the next phase such as Siper who receives more personality than in the manga, even if not that much. The team effort also makes it apparent that the other contestants aren't irrelevant, compared to the manga and 2011 version where it quickly became apparent the main 4, Tonpa, Hisoka, Illumi and (to some extent) Hanzo were the only ones worth keeping track of.
The part with Illumi walking around without his Gittarackur disguise at the end of Episode 20 is pretty questionable though, to say the least. Considering his main goal is to bring Killua back home, revealing his disguise in a space confined compared to Zevil Island would provide a flight risk if Killua were to stumble on him, not to mention lessening the reveal of his true appearance later on. Also hope that Geretta at least has some kind of "no hard feelings" type of line when he paralyses Gon in the next phase after having his life saved by him, otherwise it seems as though the Tonpa problem might repeat itself.
 

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I'd say that all of the Trick Tower survivors being forced to team up with each other and even save each others' lives during the storm ordeal, only to end up hunting each other actually helps Phase 4 to be more emotionally taxing [mention]Captain Cadaver[/mention]

Doesn't justify the filler taking 3 episodes of course, but it's not worthless filler we typically see in Shonen at least.
 

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Yeah, I can see that, though it really depends how much character dynamics change from this in order to accommodate this, something the '99 anime has thus far shied away from when it comes to major changes through filler.
 

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The black guy's interaction with Gon is the only one that truly needs addressing, since Tonpa is just a faggot and Pokkle's girlfriend was such a minor character, plus Kurapika and Hanzo aren't hunting each other iirc.
 

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Anyways, judging by the pace of these episodes and the fact that there ought to not be much filler from Phase 4 and onwards, the rest of the Hunter Exams and the Zoldyck Mansion mini-arc should be done with in the next 2 days, so after that we can finally get to the more intellectual battles involving Nen, as well as the Yorkshin arc which is done entirely better in the 1999 version than the 2011 one.

I mean, just look at this:

https://w.namu.la/s/60f67a4ed8335ba551e3c8824647c8112a5c5842e02e2afc868864972b06eec334b1ac71c54bf4f7b8812998374c51699cbbbcb916d201ba289c6d2ce3f7a54106b75cbc829d98154da989382622f9ffb990ceb7ea5b78aa6381d954c9c82746

And then compare that shit to the 2011 equivalent which literally looked like Kurapika was spinning a little kid's crappy windmill :ha :ha :ha

A lot of Director Kazuhiro Furuhashi's animes go to shit (*cough* Shin Kyoto-hen *cough*) but Yorkshin HxH is a classic of Shonen that will stand the test of time.
 

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Episodes 21 and 22 - Not much to say about Episode 21 except that Geretta's "Yesterday's ally is today's enemy" line at least acknowledges that the previous filler existed and had an impact on his opinion of Gon, and that Gon has significantly more character building moments here with his monologues of Mito than he does in the manga. As for Ep. 22, it's cool that the writers haven't forgotten that Hisoka's shoulder wound from his brief scuffle with Togashi - I mean, Togari, still exists despite Hisoka covering it up with Texture Surprise. It's starting to get annoying how readily and easily Leorio falls for Tonpa's lies, although at least both the monkey tamer and Kurapika acknowledged it was a childish trick. Would've been better if while chasing Tonpa Leorio said something like, "Shut up! I'll just beat the place you'll meet the other guy out of you!" when Tonpa taunted that the monkey tamer had his plate. Not much to say about the rest of the episode as it's quite similar to the manga, other than that I noticed the fansubbers made a retarded mistake of calling Illumi "her" over the phone, even though in the same fucking episode Illumi talks with a high pitched voice in both his Gittarakur disguise and his original face :facepalm




Episode 23 - Not much to say about the Adventures of Gon the Hisoka Stalker, other than that it's nice that they acknowledged that the ship filler happened again by having Geretta sincerely thank Gon for saving him on the ship. Too bad it's immediately followed by Hisoka finishing him off :punk

That being said, I disliked how Gon was just standing still for like 5 minutes while Hisoka was doing nothing but standing still, even after making the trade with Kurapika. But at least Geretta explained that he didn't want Hisoka to put Kurapika and Leorio in danger, and you could make the argument that they hadn't wandered off far by this point, making them still vulnerable to a potentially fickle Hisoka.

Pretty nice touch that Hisoka narrates the next episode preview, complete with his 90's porn advertisement-like theme :troll




Episode 24 - It's pretty interesting that director Furuhashi-san decided to extend the page-wide panel of Gon brooding after his humiliation from Hisoka to at least 7 minutes. I get why he did it because it accentuates the narrative significance of Hisoka owning Gon and the resulting mental breakdown Gon had and it's definitely an intriguing change, although if it were up to me I'd have replaced the infantile "Mommy! Mommy! Let me cuddle with you!" scene with Gon lamenting that he acted so sure that he'd follow in his dad's footsteps and become a Hunter this year, only to do so only because of Hisoka's whimsical nature - making it feel very unearned. This is followed up by Gon saying he's been useless and a nuisance to everybody the whole time, even though the cliffhanger of this episode was only possible because of Gon's acute sense of smell (which has paid off in previous phases of the Exam).

Other than that, though, I'm glad that Phase 4 is almost over, so we can proceed onto the tournament phase and then finish the garbage Zoldyck Family mini-arc and move on to the more heady stuff in the show in the next day or two.
 

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Episodes 21 - 23 - The Fourth Phase of the exam in both versions was a good part of the arc due to Gon's training to develop the skills needed to accomplish his goal. It's very rare of a Battle Shonen/Nekketsu to place the focus of a training segment on skills rather than primarily physical improvement.
As far as comparisons in both versions, it goes without saying the art of the 2011 version is more detailed for the scenes involving Hisoka such as his :hisoka face or just after his encounter with Leorio and Kurapika. One major difference in both versions is the time of day that Gon strikes, with both have their reasons for working. The 1999 anime having Gon's attack take place at night is provides better cover for him not being tracked, whereas the 2011 anime having him not try it until the next day not only makes it apparent how strong Hisoka's bloodlust is, but the intimidation factor of it with Gon not even attempting to do anything for so long. I'd probably say the 2011 version did that part better.
Gittarackur having Illumi's high pitched voice isn't as good as him having a somewhat robotic voice in the 2011 version, considering someone's voice changing when in a state where their entire physical appearance is altered through needles makes a lot of sense.
For additions, Geretta thankfully takes into account the events on Gunkan-jima, avoiding the problem this anime had with Tonpa. Hisoka wearing his hat also provides a bit more characterisation to the scene of him returning the badges to Gon. The addition of Kamuri betraying Sommy was okay too.




Episode 24 - The first part of the episode was overly slow paced. Although it does present the idea of Gon's recovery being more gradual and shows the aftermath of Geretta's toxins in more detail, but it didn't need to be dragged out that much and the part of Gon saying "I have friends" seems fairly redundant when it's far from a revelation for him.
For comparisons, Hanzo's face in the '99 version is a lot more comedic than his reaction in the remake. I'd say Killua's fight against the Amori brothers was better in the 2011 version though with things such as Hanzo being closer by to add an extra layer of tension to it, the brothers catching on to Killua not being a normal kid as opposed to two of them berating Imori in the '99 version despite it being obvious anyone who can make it this far in the exam is far from normal or the blood trickling down due to Killua's fingers being so much as close to Imori's neck better selling the idea that they're indeed sharper than knives to the Amori brothers. Surprisingly though, the search for Ponzu was better paced in this version by a small amount at least.
 

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How many episodes is this? How the fuck has it taken 24 episodes to get to the end of the exams? :ha :cena
 

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Super Saiyan said:
How many episodes is this?
62, or 70 counting the conclusion of the Yorknew Arc in OVAs (the original run of the anime on TV ended with Uvogin's death from what I gather).

How the fuck has it taken 24 episodes to get to the end of the exams? :ha :cena
Just shows how much of a snail's pace most of the anime runs at compared to the 2011 version (Hunter Exam in its entirety is 31 episodes, 10 more than the 2011 version or 11 if ignoring the latter's recap episode).
 

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That's a joke lol. You can blast through it in the manga in 20 minutes. Fuck that.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
Super Saiyan said:
How many episodes is this?
62, or 70 counting the conclusion of the Yorknew Arc in OVAs (the original run of the anime on TV ended with Uvogin's death from what I gather).

It ends with Chrollo and the other Troupe members' fake deaths to be exact. That's a few episodes after Uvogin vs. Kurapika.

Just shows how much of a snail's pace most of the anime runs at compared to the 2011 version (Hunter Exam in its entirety is 31 episodes, 10 more than the 2011 version or 11 if ignoring the latter's recap episode).
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That's a joke lol. You can blast through it in the manga in 20 minutes. Fuck that.

Well no shit since the anime began a year after the manga which started in 1998. It's actually running pretty fast considering that, since the Pilaf arc in DB for example took about 15 episodes despite only being under 2 volumes long iirc in the Tankoban edition (a pace which slowed down considerably and resulted in the pre-Z anime taking over 150 episodes), and the Hunter Exams was at least 4-5 volumes long in the manga (can't be assed to check).

Not to mention you also have to take into account that Togashi is... well, Togashi. He was taking hiatuses (albeit, sparse ones) even this early in the game and apparently had the time to voice a nameless character in Phase 3 of the exams, and Furuhashi and his crew discussed the battleship filler in detail with Togashi to make sure it didn't conflict with the canon parts of the exams. Keep in mind, blatant filler episodes completely vanish after the Hunter Exams and don't bog down the pacing unlike DBZ or other series inspired by it, and they didn't insert some type of Noah/Dartz faggotry after the 62 episode run and chose to adapt the rest of the manga through OVAs (pre-Chimera Ant, where hiatuses outnumbered the weeks Togashi actually submitted chapters :punk ).

And even though 2011 began when the manga was nearly finished with the Chimera Ant arc (around the time Gon revealed his adult mode iirc), even the 2011 anime slowed down to a snail's pace in the middle of Chimera Ant. The 1999 anime isn't perfect, but it's not terribly slow either.
 

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31 episodes of the hunter exams would bore me to death. Surprised you can tolerate it.
 

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I thought the chimera ant arc was slow because there was a lot of narration in the manga - which doesn't translate well into an animated and voiced medium.
 

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There was a lot of filler for Chimera Ant in the 2011 remake
 

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