Did Vegeta ever master Super Saiyan?

[SSJ2]

Did he manage it in the 7 year gap?

 

[Papasmurf]

I think he was already semi-mastered in the Cell Games, probably didn't fully master it because he felt like he wanted to do his training his own way or some shit like that. Future Trunks was probably too much of a novice fighter to fully master the SSJ form until after he went back to his own timeline.

I also believe SSJ mastery is required to achieve SSJ2 and SSJ3, plus Goten and Trunks are seen to have zero strain from SSJ and have round eyes while in SSJ all the time. I doubt Vegeta's mastery over SSJ was less than that of Goten and Trunks. Vegeta trained in the gravity chamber while maintaining the SSJ form without an aura, I think that was as much of an indication that he mastered SSJ as Gohan managing to suppress himself enough that he wasn't knocking criminals' heads off in Satan City. It also appears that mastering SSJ gives you better training gainz than unmastered SSJ, and I doubt that Vegeta wouldn't capitalize on it

 

[GSM123]

He must have if he’s attained SSJ2 by the start of the Boo Saga.

 

[theallpowerfulpuipui]

I think he got ssj2 his 'own way' without mssj.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Vegeta's a smart enough fighter to have realised the benefits of the form 7 years prior and isn't really lagging behind Goku's natural talent as he so believed when considering Goku's superiority often had to do with the difference in training regimes, so it'd seem very out of character for Vegeta to not master something he was clearly capable of.

 

[Papasmurf]

Vegeta's a smart enough fighter to have realised the benefits of the form 7 years prior and isn't really lagging behind Goku's natural talent as he so believed when considering Goku's superiority often had to do with the difference in training regimes, so it'd seem very out of character for Vegeta to not master something he was clearly capable of.

What's your explanation for why Vegeta and Trunks didn't master the form prior to the Cell Games?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

For Vegeta, it'd be due to different approaches in philosophy to training than Galu. He had no masters to teach him on refinement of Ki control like Kaio or the Yardrattians and had to learn most of his skills on his own, so the idea may not come as naturally to him as it would to one of Goku's experiences learning skills from a wide range of masters. In Trunks' case, he was simply a novice compared to his dad and Galu as shown with his use of Grade 3.

 

[Papasmurf]

Vegeta deduced that Galu just made SSJ his natural form easily enough though. Would it really have been that hard to come to the conclusion that you stay in the form at all times?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Actually seeing it to be the case is a lot different from hypothesising it though and seemed surprised enough by Goku doing so that it's doubtful he thought much about the possibility beforehand. Vegeta was also very confident in the strength of Grade 2 being able to decimate Cell, so he may not have seen a need for it when considering his more arrogant personality compared to Goku's.

 

[Papasmurf]

Vegeta clearly agreed with Galu's approach that SSJ1 was the best combat state out of the three grades of regular SSJ (judging by him not using Grade 2 in the CG) though.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

That was after it had been proven to be possible and after his beatdown from Cell made acquiring it ASAP a necessity. It's also worth noting he and Trunks weren't suggested to train as closely as Gohan and Goku did, with the latter aiming for overcoming the flaws of the grade forms only after he'd prepared Gohan into being a sufficient sparring partner and training constantly with him.

 

[Papasmurf]

Vegeta had a whole year to make SSJ his natural form in the RoSaT really, and had seen from Galu and Gohan that it was possible. Seems like it was his pride getting in the way of copying Galu or something, because any idiot can tell that getting used to the SSJ form would require staying in the form for extended periods. Trunks at least has the excuse that he had an inferior fighter like Future Gohan for a master and had to figure out how to get stronger on his own after the latter died, which made him mostly an idiot when it came to fighting smart.

 

[Future Warrior]

Who says Trunks and Vegeta weren't already heading down this route after the 2nd trip to the room?

 

[Papasmurf]

Who says Trunks and Vegeta weren't already heading down this route after the 2nd trip to the room?

Because Trunks dropped back to base as soon as the Cell Jr.s were dealt with (suggesting that he lost too much ki from the fight to make staying in the SSJ form worth the ki drain), when even Vegeta stayed in SSJ before Cell exploded. I think if Toriyama wanted to convey the message that both Trunks and Vegeta were close to mastering SSJ, then he would've just had both of them stay Super Saiyans instead of one or neither.

 

[Future Warrior]

I said heading down the route, not that they had already completely mastered it like Goku and Gohan. I think them not resorting to the beefy forms against the Cell Jr's says a lot.