Do you think Burta/Burter was as fast as Ginyu?

[ScottyFamalam]

Proof Ginyu was slow for his PL and Burter may be faster than Ginyu (chapter 284 of DB, pg 11):

Goku isn't using kaioken yet, and Ginyu believes him to be around 60K.

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Ginyuu already said Gokuu was better than he thought right after they started fighting

 

[Son.Gohan84]

Likely Toriyama just forgot speed=power. And just used the statement to hype up Burter tbh. Like "THIS IS A REALLY FAST GUY AND BEAST!" then Goku beats him.

 

[Warmmedown]

Ginyuu already said Gokuu was better than he thought right after they started fighting

That doesn't mean Goku is near his level. He still think Goku's weak enough that he might have a chance if he teamed up with Vegeta (I guess he could mean because Jeice will get involved and Vegeta can fight Jeice, but we see later than Ginyu likes to fight alone, so he could mean Goku and Vegeta vs Ginyu). More importantly, he still is later shocked when Goku hits 90K. So he's surprised someone 90K or less could be faster than himself.

 

[Dagon]

Proof Ginyu was slow for his PL and Burter may be faster than Ginyu (chapter 284 of DB, pg 11):

Goku isn't using kaioken yet, and Ginyu believes him to be around 60K.

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2 pages later (ch284, pg13) Goku confirms he hasn't been using kaioken
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So Ginyu's top speed is only comparable in speed to 60K Goku, despite Ginyu's max PL being 120K. Ginyu has speed typical of someone with a PL 50% of his, so maybe he is slower than Burter. Or it's the other way, and both Goku and Burter have double the expected speed, which seems unlikely in Goku's case, since there's no other point in the series where this is indicated.

Ginyu is not using his full power there. When Jeice uses his scouter to detect Goku at 160k, he says Captain Ginyu "tops out at 120,000", which means Ginyu was not using his full power yet, or else he would already be "topped out."

Ginyu starts at a lower level, enough that it would be able to beat 60k, but Goku surprises him by being better than 60k, going toe-to-toe with Ginyu's chosen level that was moderately higher.

 

[DBZAOTA482]

Yes there is. They have shown dodge speed far higher than the speed they use for long distance travel.

Goku and Piccolo can react to each other's ki blasts when they are near 400 power level. Piccolo's blast at this level could reach the moon and destroy it in mere seconds. That's relativistic dodge speed.

Goku takes more than a day to return from King Kai's planet across snake way. If he was merely light speed he could do it in seconds. If Goku were traveling at 1% light speed he'd be home in about 6 minutes.

Golu is flying across Snake Way far slower than the speed he uses to dodge ki blasts that can reach the moon in seconds, and this is after he gets 20x more powerful.

Not to mention Piccolo was far more adept at flying Goku was despite having a slightly lower power level.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Ginyu also says Goku’s body is faster than his own when he hijacks it.

Vegeta just said that power up = speed up. Burta didn’t power up, he’s always been this strong and this fast.

@Dagon doesn’t that suggest suppressed Goku > FP Ginyu in speed? Or that Goku used his full speed in that one moment?

 

[Dagon]

Ginyu also says Goku’s body is faster than his own when he hijacks it.

Vegeta just said that power up = speed up. Burta didn’t power up, he’s always been this strong and this fast.

@Dagon doesn’t that suggest suppressed Goku > FP Ginyu in speed? Or that Goku used his full speed in that one moment?

Maybe. Better than the other arguments. Although Ginyu couldn't even use Goku's full power at first. If Ginyu had access to 23,000 and that's still faster than full power Ginyu, it comes across as really odd. I think it's bad writing. Could reconcile it as Ginyu speaking about its proportional speed.