Do you use lower multipliers for fusions?

[Diamond Ryan]

There isn't really anything that suggests the multipliers are smaller for fusions, but I tend to do it because if I used a x50 multiplier, then Base Gotenks would end up weaker than the SSJ kids... which I don't like.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

The only multiplier for SSJ is 10x according to Akira Toriyama. There's no need to lower the SSj multiplier on fusion.

 

[SSJ2]

4x for SSJ. I don't think SSJ Gotenks pre is implied to be too far ahead of SSJ3 Goku, and I have Base Gotenks > SSJ2s. The fusion SSJ multiplier has to be equal to the SSJ3 multiplier for me.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

There isn't really anything that suggests the multipliers are smaller for fusions, but I tend to do it because if I used a x50 multiplier, then Base Gotenks would end up weaker than the SSJ kids... which I don't like.

Also, according to Tosh, Base Gotenks post ends up weaker than Piccolo, yet Piccolo thought he had a a chance against Super Buu, lol.

 

[sei'taer]

I don't use multipliers at all

Why shoehorn yourself into something like that when AT surely did not.

 

[Super Neko Majin Z]

The only multiplier for SSJ is 10x according to Akira Toriyama.

I've never heard that before. Also, I use normal multipliers for fusions. My bases for Goten and Trunks are pretty low, so I don't need to lower them.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

The only multiplier for SSJ is 10x according to Akira Toriyama.

I've never heard that before. Also, I use normal multipliers for fusions. My bases for Goten and Trunks are pretty low, so I don't need to lower them.

Here you go.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/seg-story-volume-truth-about-dragon-ball/

Why does Goku’s hair turn gold when he becomes a Super Saiyan?
I decided on the design for the Super Saiyan for, to be honest… a simple reason that will leave you saying “What?”. I always have only a single person, Assistant-kun3, helping me with my work. That Assistant-kun’s time was always taken up doing the black fill4 of Goku’s hair, so the biggest reason was in order to save time. Because when he became a Super Saiyan, we wouldn’t have to do the black fill. It also had the effect of making it easy to tell from his appearance that Goku had gotten stronger, so it killed two birds with one stone. Only, at the time, it was considered that his strength would increase 50-fold when he became a Super Saiyan, but that was a bit of an exaggeration. My feeling as the creator is that, while drawing it, I felt that it was about a 10-fold change from what it was up to that point.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

But, what does he mean up to that point? Maybe he meant base, maybe 10x Kaioken, maybe 20x kaioken. I think he meant 10x kaioken,
since it was the greatest power Goku could safely produce, which means SSJ is 100x; this also fits really well with KHH 2.25x multiplier
applying to Kaioken.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Its clear that SSj is 10x of his base because he felt that 50x is too much.

 

[Super Neko Majin Z]

That doesn't work though, because SSJ was clearly stronger than Kaio-Ken x20. In Kaio-Ken x20, which I'm pretty much certain is 20 times Goku's base, his strongest attack only singed 50% Frieza's palm. As a Super Saiyan, he beat 50% Frieza around effortlessly and only had a little trouble with 100% Frieza in the manga.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Of course, kaioken was retcon.

 

[Tapion]

Nah, he is just talking about the fact that he thought that 50x was exaggeration and that he INITIALLY planned it to be 10x.
What's the point of having a 10x boost if Oozaru already has this boost?
And what's the point of even introducing SSJ if Goku can go much beyond 10x with Kaioken?

Sorry but no. 50x.

1. Daizenshuu states it.
2. Every fricking thing in the series states it and reproduce the 50x multiplier.
2. The context of the interview is more like "i planned to do this" rather than "IT WAS this'

 

[SSJ2]

Goku is the only one who can use Kaioken. There are about 5 other Saiyans who can use SSJ, so Kaioken really shouldn't factor into it. Anyway, Kaioken has serious repercussions on your body, whereas Super Saiyan has barely any strain.

 

[kriss-]

Actually there is.

Vegeta SSj2 > Kibitoshin =/= Teen Gohan SSj2 > Teen Gohan SSj > Dabra > Kaioshin > Piccolo > Gohan (Base) > Kibito

Yet the Potara only increase Kibito's power by like... 10x. The Metamoran Multiplier is far below that, making Gotenks Base (Post) > Gotenks SSj (Pre), impossible.

 

[Six Trails]

I don't use lower multipliers. I prefer to stay consistent if even using multipliers.

It also helps make Gotenks that much stronger than Goku.

 

[Future Warrior]

I choose to have lower multipliers because I dont like to have bloated numbers

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Nah, he is just talking about the fact that he thought that 50x was exaggeration and that he INITIALLY planned it to be 10x.
What's the point of having a 10x boost if Oozaru already has this boost?
And what's the point of even introducing SSJ if Goku can go much beyond 10x with Kaioken?

Sorry but no. 50x.

1. Daizenshuu states it.
2. Every fricking thing in the series states it and reproduce the 50x multiplier.
2. The context of the interview is more like "i planned to do this" rather than "IT WAS this'

Like i said, Kaioken and Oozaru were retcon not that they didn't exist, but only their boost were retcon.

 

[Zoom]

I do... this is because

1. I don't think Ssj Vegito was miles ahead of Gohan absorbed Buu.
2. If we use the standard SEG numbers, 50x, 100x, 400x, which kind of makes base Vegito way below Mystic Gohan, Evil Buu.
3. Old Kaioshin said a potara fusion between Goku and Gohan in base would be enough to defeat Gotenks absorbed Buu in base form. I don't think the difference between them is that large where Gokuhan at base would be enough to handle Gotenks absorbed Buu and base Vegito is way below Evil Buu.
4. Mystic Gohan and Evil Buu isn't many times lower than Gotenks absorbed Buu.

^ none of my reasons have evidence, it's just my personal opinions or head canon.

 

[GokhanDBZfan]

The SSJ multipliers don't really work well with the Fusions.
According to Goku's definition of the Fusion, Base Gotenks should at least be stronger than the SSJ kids unfused, yet his SSJ form most likely isn't 50x stronger than Base Gotenks, because that'd make him way, way stronger than Goku, which isn't implied anywhere.

 

[Super Neko Majin Z]

Wait, do you mean it isn't implied that SSJ3 Gotenks >> SSJ3 Goku, or that SSJ Gotenks >> SSJ3 Goku?

Also, when did Toriyama do that interview? His memory is notoriously bad, and after he wasn't doing the series regularly it got much worse. This is the man who forgot SSJ2 existed.