Does Goku being a Saiyan...

[ahill1]

Does Goku being a Saiyan make it even more hurting to Vegeta that Vegeta isn't the strongest? Or is it more to the point that Goku was stronger and on top of that, a Saiyan?

Vegeta seemed pretty angry when Piccolo surpassed him as Kamiccolo, seemed mad when he lost to the androids... and was infuriated how much of a joke they were treating the SSJs with, iirc (tho I may be remembering of an anime only line), once Cell appeared, Vegeta's thought on how they are outdoing the SSJs right and left makes it so infurating, asking, rethorically ofc, if Goku didn't feel mad about it...

So maybe seeing a non-Saiyan surpassing him actually makes it harder for Vegeta's ego? I dunno.

 

[SSJ2]

The early android arc is when Vegeta was at his most arrogant. We saw the level of delusion Vegeta had about becoming a Super Saiyan on Namek, and he finally achieved it in the 3 year gap and became completely full of himself. The mere idea of anyone surpassing that level that he worked so hard for was incomprehensible to him and he was barely able to accept it.

Ultimately he would still care more about being surpassed by Goku because he viewed Goku as his rival that he had to outdo at all costs. Vegeta wouldn't have sold himself out to Babidi if it was Piccolo that surpassed him in the Boo arc... Only Goku is able to make him go to those lengths.

 

[Spiral-Force]

Goku being a 'low class Saiyan' ought to make it both mind-boggling and frustrating at the same time. Although Goku is marked as being special after all, it makes you wonder how far another motivated Saiyan of that class would go under the tutelage of Goku's various masters.

 

[ahill1]

Goku being a 'low class Saiyan' ought to make it both mind-boggling and frustrating at the same time. Although Goku is marked as being special after all, it makes you wonder how far another motivated Saiyan of that class would go under the tutelage of Goku's various masters.

I think Goku was special, but I don't know if it was by birth in a sense he had that potential in him all along, but in a sense that his sheer dedication and willingness to improve kind of awakened a huge potential inside him with time. Rare cases of potential growing increasingly with effort and repetition to the point that after a time, both talent and big potential [even for Saiyans] were meshed together.

I think it'd depend... if potential comes out after heavy dedication and pure bettering oneself intentions, it might be acquiring an initially non-existent big potential (with this potential eventually surpassing even innate potential warriors) that only came to be because of the work dedication and intentions, or it might also be awakening a huge potential that Goku specifically always had but which could only be achieved through these means, like a condition for the huge potential to manifest itself, but a Goku-only case.

 

[KyuubiAhri]

I think Goku was special, but I don't know if it was by birth in a sense he had that potential in him all along, but in a sense that his sheer dedication and willingness to improve kind of awakened a huge potential inside him with time. Rare cases of potential growing increasingly with effort and repetition to the point that after a time, both talent and big potential [even for Saiyans] were meshed together.

I think it'd depend... if potential comes out after heavy dedication and pure bettering oneself intentions, it might be acquiring an initially non-existent big potential (with this potential eventually surpassing even innate potential warriors) that only came to be because of the work dedication and intentions, or it might also be awakening a huge potential that Goku specifically always had but which could only be achieved through these means, like a condition for the huge potential to manifest itself, but a Goku-only case.

Goku wasn't special. He was lucky. He received the most efficient forms of training. If he didn't go to the afterlife he wouldn't probably been able to defat Nappa

 

[ahill1]

Goku wasn't special. He was lucky. He received the most efficient forms of training. If he didn't go to the afterlife he wouldn't probably been able to defat Nappa

While he was likely surpassed by others who underwent the same training for far less time like Piccolo.

 

[Boo Brand Milk]

Honestly it does make it hurt for Vegeta, and motivates him a whole lot more.

Vegeta was happy being 18 - 24k as long as he was the strongest Saiyan. If some other being is stronger than him he more or less accepts it. (The latest example is Beerus.)

Now another Saiyan in the lower caste...
He feels he has no choice but to become stronger.

 

[ahill1]

Honestly it does make it hurt for Vegeta, and motivates him a whole lot more.

Vegeta was happy being 18 - 24k as long as he was the strongest Saiyan. If some other being is stronger than him he more or less accepts it. (The latest example is Beerus.)

Now another Saiyan in the lower caste...
He feels he has no choice but to become stronger.

What about when 18 bested him and then Cell tho?

 

[Boo Brand Milk]

What about when 18 bested him and then Cell tho?

Goku was directly involved in that arms race. If he wasn't going to be 'supreme' then Goku would.

When Goku was a non factor he was not going to push himself to Frieza level though he would have nothing against other means of taking out the Tyrant.