Double Standard?

[Six Trails]

This is mainly on Kanshithole but does anyone else notice how desperately people will try to defend current Toriyama and the new material, yet are so quick to attack GT for the inconsistencies and Goku wank, when the new material has both of those?

Any match posted with GT Goku and the typical answer will be "Gt Goku winz cuz Gt logic!". BoG/FnF/DBS have Goku getting energy from 5 other relatively weak Super Saiyans and somehow getting stronger than SS/3 Vegetto, yet somehow nobody questions the logic behind that?

Another thing constantly pointed out is the inconsistencies or just other stupid things in GT, meanwhile, in BoG/FnF/DBS, Bulma is magically younger, 1.3million is an impressive power level, Shenlong goes from granting 2 wishes to 1 wish to 2 wishes between the Boo arc and the two movies, Goten and Trunks didn't age within 5 years, Kaio-sama magically has his planet back, Mai was the same age as Goku in the Pilaf saga, Vegeta gets ridiculous "rage boosts" that somehow make him close to 10% of a guy stronger than SS Vegetto, Piccolo is Zarbon tier, a fish is stronger than a bunch of Freeza soldiers, Roshi is stronger than Krillin/Yamcha/Chaozu, Gohan magically loses his Ultimate power up within a few months, Freeza somehow now has huge potential and gets a ridiculous increase in 4 months (which is odd considering he didn't train when going to confronting Goku on Earth after Namek), etc...

Yet there's always some BS excuse to try and justify all of these mistakes, even when Toriyama himself admitted he's forgotten a lot. Does Toriyama's involvement with the new material just stop people from criticizing the movies/Super and act as if it's infallible? I don't get it.

 

[Yoshi]

I actually think GT is defended a little too much compared to back in the day, but as a series it's certainly more tolerable than BoG, FNF, and Super.

Dragon Ball doesn't have that much depth as a series even though it doesn't try to, so the fights are one of its greatest aspects. Unfortunately, while GT is also guilty of this, the new material has too much inconsistency in the power chains to be entertaining, and GT definitely milks the series less considering it came way before Super.

 

[Six Trails]

This wasn't even about trying to defend GT, I acknowledge that the series isn't that good, this was more of a rant about how people so desperately try to defend the new material.

My point was they both have somewhat similar flaws (Goku wank/inconsistencies) yet people will attack GT and try to defend BoG/FnF/DBS just because Toriyama was involved with it.

 

[Zippy]

Oh boy,
I met up with this guy and he was ranting on someone about how much better super is than gt.
Hes all like:
Beerus the unbeatable God of destruction of the 7th universe awakes and it leave new doors open to different universes and many new places to explore and characters to meet, its not lazy, its brilliant!
Than hes like
Gt is this random gero looking guy making things stronger than Goku out of nowhere.
I told him his wording was terrible and reworded it:
A cat looking God that was sleeping through the whole series wakes up out of no where to fight something That wasn't even a concept for 30Years...
Then he goes bashing on me and how im wrong to say that kind of stuff.
AT can kill everyone except frog Ginyu and people would still love the plot.

 

[Papasmurf]

A lot of bad stuff is overrated purely out of association to a famous author and this is one of them, I guess.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I called Kaboom out on this a few times.

I think he's an offender of this.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Here's one of the times I did, and just found. I ended the post with a jk, because I didn't want to get warned maybe (which I didn't. ha).

http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=9186111&t=8545565

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Goten and Trunks didn't age within 5 years,
a fish is stronger than a bunch of Freeza soldiers
Roshi is stronger than Krillin/Yamcha/Chaozu
Freeza somehow now has huge potential and gets a ridiculous increase in 4 months (which is odd considering he didn't train when going to confronting Goku on Earth after Namek), etc...

It was stated in Ginga Patrol Jaco that Saiyans stay in a child state for a long time until suddenly going through a rapid growth spurt.

Their was already a Crab on Namek stronger than some Freeza soldiers in filler.

Roshi > Yamcha/Chaozu perhaps, but nothing points to him being above Kuririn.

Someone with at least a 120 mil battle power without any training other than a fight with his father does show great potential. Not anywhere near as huge as what FnF implies (since by that logic, a maxed out Yakon could probably take down Whis), but great potential all the same.

The rest of the points you made though are definite examples of why not to trust current Toriyama's credibility. Not just that, but each interview he does seems to contradict more and more of his original material.

 

[Six Trails]

It was stated in Ginga Patrol Jaco that Saiyans stay in a child state for a long time until suddenly going through a rapid growth spurt.

Their was already a Crab on Namek stronger than some Freeza soldiers in filler.

Roshi > Yamcha/Chaozu perhaps, but nothing points to him being above Kuririn.

Someone with at least a 120 mil battle power without any training other than a fight with his father does show great potential. Not anywhere near as huge as what FnF implies (since by that logic, a maxed out Yakon could probably take down Whis), but great potential all the same.

Wouldn't that only be for pure Saiyans? Gohan aged normally and went through a normal growth progression. Unless he was an anomaly. But Future Kid Trunks would be younger than BoG/FnF Trunks and he appeared taller than the Kid Trunks from BoG.

Well, that's filler, and besides Namekians are much stronger than Earthlings so it's not ridiculous to think their animals would be. Besides, it seems ridiculous to think there was a fish that could solo all of DB including the likes of Piccolo Daimao.

Eh, he seemed more impressive than Krillin, Roshi being above Yamcha/Chaozu seems ridiculous anyway.

I don't know, don't you'd think it'd make more sense for him to train when going to Earth to fight Goku? He said he'd need his father for a guaranteed win, if he had any pride wouldn't he want to beat Goku on his own?

 

[Papasmurf]

You could say being rebuilt with cybernetics impeded gaining power through training, I guess. Toriyama did say that #18 can train, but she's mostly organic (same excuse could be used to justify Taopaipai not training either).

 

[Pyro]

That's classic behavior from what I've witnessed. It's the same with a ton of authors/creators. Michael Crichton, Adolf Hitler, Steven Spielberg, J.K. Rowling, R.L. Stine, et al. If they're not involved, the series they're not a part of is automatically inferior, and while it's usually true, it's a predetermined and unfair bias that I've admittedly partaken in.

Pretty much anything that isn't GT is defended rather vigorously, though.

 

[FutureProtagonist]

The advantage the original creators have is that they have the clearest picture of their world and some kind of vision that they want to present. You don't necessarily have those same attributes if there's someone else writing the story.

The problem is, Toriyama doesn't give half a shit, nor does he have the energy to remember his own material.