Dragon Ball Chou (Manga) Strongest Characters Remake

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Ah, but still does the wish (statement) even apply to the other universes?

Probably not since he surpassed Jiren, who’s stronger than a God of Destruction.

If Granolah had made his wish with the Super Dragon Ball it probably would’ve applied to other universes though.

 

[Pyro]

Ah, but still does the wish (statement) even apply to the other universes?







During the Granolah the Survivor Saga, Toyotarou refers to Granolah, Vegeta and Goku as the 1st, 2nd and
3rd strongest in the universe, though does not elaborate on the order aside from Granolah being 1st. With Granolah wishing to Toronbo to become a warrior with power surpassing all other mortal life-forms in the universe

Beerus/Quitela = Jiren (Current) > Granolah > Belmod > Lower GoDs > Vegeta/Goku

what I'm trying to say is Jiren is as strong as a top tier GoD despite being a mortal and his potential is immeasurable and if he's been training since T.O.P then it stands to reason he's much stronger possibly even more than beerus himself.

Look, you can think Jiren is the strongest now if you want, but since he hasn't been seen since the tournament, you have no proof of this. It's inadmissible as evidence and just speculation on your part. What the story we have been given actually says is that Beerus, Goku, Vegeta, Granolah are all way stronger than tournament Jiren. That's the point I'm making here.

I mean its part of hit's style of fighting its not unfair to use your expert skills in battle and he already on par with SSG level to begin with just his full base power so with extensive training which he did he'd be as strong as PSSB combined with his new godlike time ability gives him a better chance to stand up to jiren.

It is unfair to use that. Again, that's like saying the power level of Goku's Kamehameha makes him stronger than Vegeta. It's not Hit's base power, it's a technique. This wasn't a debate about who could do better against Jiren, it was about who was stronger on a base level.

um actually pure boo > evil boo because of his unpredictability and more destructive power evil didn't blow up multiple planets or pressure SSJ goku who's stronger than Fat boo.

Evil Boo didn't blow up planets so he's weaker than Pure Boo? Dude, do you realize how janky that logic is? You might as well say the androids are weaker than 1st Form Freeza because he effortlessly blew up Planet Vegeta while they didn't blow up any planets. Come on now. And you realize SSJ Goku and Vegeta got slapped around by Evil Boo, right, while SSJ Goku never fought Pure Boo? And SSJ Goku isn't stronger than Fat Boo in the Boo Saga.

 

[MikaelHarding]

Look, you can think Jiren is the strongest now if you want, but since he hasn't been seen since the tournament, you have no proof of this. It's inadmissible as evidence and just speculation on your part. What the story we have been given actually says is that Beerus, Goku, Vegeta, Granolah are all way stronger than tournament Jiren. That's the point I'm making here.

It is unfair to use that. Again, that's like saying the power level of Goku's Kamehameha makes him stronger than Vegeta. It's not Hit's base power, it's a technique. This wasn't a debate about who could do better against Jiren, it was about who was stronger on a base level.

Evil Boo didn't blow up planets so he's weaker than Pure Boo? Dude, do you realize how janky that logic is? You might as well say the androids are weaker than 1st Form Freeza because he effortlessly blew up Planet Vegeta while they didn't blow up any planets. Come on now. And you realize SSJ Goku and Vegeta got slapped around by Evil Boo, right, while SSJ Goku never fought Pure Boo? And SSJ Goku isn't stronger than Fat Boo in the Boo Saga.

but picture jiren being stronger post T.O.P can you imagine that though, I'll admit goku, vegeta, and granolah are stronger but I don't know about beerus.

nothing's unfair in battle especially when you universe fate is on the line. yeah but goku and vegeta Super saiyan transformations are their techniques to increase their chances in battle for success. on a base i'd say hit is he's a 1,000+ years old he has more combat experience then either goku and vegeta do.

evil boo had knew at least what he was and what he was doing but he just didn't care pure boo on the other hand has no mind at all no conscience, no empathy, or remorse for his atrocities and only focused on one thing destroying everything in his path. pure boo is kid buu and evil buu is skinny buu
goku SSJ2 can fight pure boo before going SSJ3 while vegeta SSJ2 is utterly helpless