Dragonball Redone Project

[p123]

How? Everyone assumed Freeza and the planet were toast. Freeza is clearly concerned by the blast and has to use his full effort to bounce it back. Where does it look like he's holding back?

 

[Victorious]

Not sure I like Light Grenade @75% of #16 and Cell. More like 60-66% max. Goku's KHH was about 75% of Raditz

Japanese anime says Cell takes no damage.

 

[p123]

Yes I agree. I am showing max capability. I think the actual Light Grenade is probably 4-4.25 billion. I'd like to make the gap a little bigger but the 6 billion number works out perfectly. Remember I am always looking for the aesthetic portion of it as well. There is a lot that's tied to the whole system that made the numbers fit so perfectly. Best list I've ever done by far as it is accurate to a 95% margin and is pleasing to look at.

 

[Victorious]

You should raise Saiyan arc Piccolo up to 2,400-2,500 IMO. I do that. Obviously he has to be below 2,800 but I go with Gohan having basically no amplification ability yet.

Something in me doesnt like Tenshinhan at 80% of Piccolo.. More like 66%.

Ten should probably also be a little higher, though I think the 1,800 Daiz level is too high, I more like 1,700 based on his effort to one shot the Saibaman.

 

[p123]

I don't see how Gohan is using Masenko and has no amp. Masenko is an amped blast. Piccolo clearly taught him that. Masenko > Enraged Gohan in my book. I gave him a minimal amp, but I feel you gotta give him something.

Saibaman recovered from Tien's initial shot, I think his head being split open from the acid had to do with him getting so rocked as well. Tien didn't look God Tier there.

 

[Victorious]

Goku should get a zenkai after Piccolo Daimao fight, if he's 50 vs PD I think he's 60-65 after healed from PD.

 

[p123]

Was he really all that damaged? Just some broken bones. I didn't think he was terribly damaged from what I can remember.

 

[Victorious]

I've got him a zenkai after both Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Junior.

Post PD he should still be below Tenshinhan 23rd though...IMO

 

[Victorious]

BTW, I would raise Piccolo's post Nail fusion max from 1,700 to 1,750 for mostly aesthetic reasons.

A. If you do that you give his Nail merger a clean 5x boost.
B. He'd be exactly 70% of 3rd form Freeza.
C. I honestly thing he had a good lead over 2nd form Freeza. Could be a 24k Vegeta > Zarbon type gap. 94% seems to close. 91-92% is better.

 

[p123]

Gohan say "We can win" I think it might still be close.

But nothing wrong with that. 1,750 is fine.

 

[Buki]

Am I the only guy who thinks Tenshinhan's Kikoho was stronger than Gohan's Masenko?

 

[p123]

No, others have suggested it as well. It's certainly possible. I think Kikoho is only slightly weaker than Masenko personally.

 

[Buki]

The Kikoho would wreck Piccolo who I have at 2,500

My numbers:

Piccolo: 2,500
Masenko: 2,800
Kikoho: 3,200
Nappa: 4,000

Nappa deflected the Masenko without too much trouble but was in a bad shape after taking the Kikoho

 

[p123]

Perhaps your Piccolo is way overrated...

His armor took the brunt of the damage and he wasn't even prepared for it. Nappa focused all of his ki to combat the Masenko. Masenko would wrecked Piccolo.

Masenko > Enraged Gohan > Piccolo

Angry Gohan surpasses Piccolo, Masenko should have at least some ki amplification.

 

[Buki]

I am not sure it has an amplification. It was all about Gohan being enraged. 2,800 being an amplified blast would suggest Enraged Gohan is not much below the Masenko which is dumb

 

[p123]

Masenko is an amplified blast. Or else he would have just fired a regular ki blast.

 

[p123]

Included Battle of Gods arc in the manga...

Super Saiyan God is now a 4 million types boost off of Base Goku. Jesus Christ!

 

[p123]

Yes, I think I have a way to make it work altogether now...

1) In the Buu Saga, I know have Gotenks as 2x stronger than Goku and Gohan at 3x stronger than Goku. This makes the suggestion that Goku might not be able to help Gohan with Buutenks much more realistic.

2) I capped Gotenks at Super Saiyan, as he should have been. When looking back, they graced the boys with far too much power. Fusion and making them 2x Goku is more than enough...

3) No need for Rosat for Gotenks. It's just not needed.

4) Goku/Vegeta are way more respected now with these changes. Super Saiyan God still puts them in their rightful place though... But it's nowhere near as bad as it was before.

5) Vegeta has Super Saiyan 3 in BOG instead of raging out. Vegeta should have Super Saiyan 3, any other point of logic is nonsense.

6) In the beginning of Battle of Gods Goku and Vegeta have progressed significantly as well. Now they have caught way up to Gotenks and Gohan, although still significantly behind. Super Saiyan 3 Goku/Vegeta are now 75% of Super Saiyan Gotenks and 50% of Ultimate Gohan. Way more reasonable.

7) Now with all of this, we can have set boosts for Fusion and Potara. The formula is now simple. Fusion takes the weaker fighters base and multiplies it by 80. Potara takes the average of the two fighters base and multiplies it by 200. Done and done.

8.) Super Saiyan God Goku >>> Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto. This still stands and the God form completely surpasses Fusion which is inline with the new thing way surpassing the old boost.

9) Super Saiyan God remains, no Super Saiyan Blue. Super Saiyan God is awesome, Blue is stupid. We don't need any more new transformations after this, except for UI probably.

10) Super Saiyan God no longer makes the user skinny. That was a dumb idea.


That's about all I have for now. Those are all great changes that makes this series way better imo.