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Videl pre-training is already on par with her father.

Chapter: 424 (DBZ 230), P14.2
Context: as Videl easily beats up the big robber
Gohan: “Heh~~This is surprising! She really is pretty strong…She might just be stronger than Mister Satan.”

And you have Videl and Satan multiple times stronger than Goku from the start of Dragon Ball, but they have no feats that come anywhere close to what he was doing back then. That makes no sense. Either you have to raise Goku's level or lower the humans' levels.
Videl is nothing like her father thats just someone's opinion of her and hercule strength which is nothing compared to her plus she trained and learned ki control/training with gohan plus she was good from the moment she was introduced so thats why she's so ahead.
Super Saiyan 3 isn't even a 2x boost? What is this, DBGT?
kid buu power level was 85 Billion goku ssj3 was on par with him going beyond ssj2 is not easy and it takes much longer to transform than previous forms.
Pre-RoSaT SSJ Gotenks was stated to be stronger than SSJ3 Goku and nothing contradicted it. He shouldn't be even weaker than SSJ2 Goku.
I'll give SSJ Gotenks (Suppressed)
That math doesn't track, boss.



There is on enraged SSJ2 for Vegeta against Boo. It's never stated, implied, or eluded to.
Vegeta was fighting beyond the limits of ssj2 vs kid buu he never gave up his sheer determination also helped him at least buy time for goku as small as it may be
Krillin is still the strongest human to this day, and even if you only used the movie, the promotional material for that stated Krillin was the strongest as well.
technically if master roshi can perform the principles of ultra instinct he may be the strongest earthling now.
That improvement/adaptation BS is only in the anime. He doesn't do that in the manga.
hit powered up to full power the improvement/adaption will always be there even in the manga you know he can get stronger than he already was before plus he was still holding back during the champa saga he was refrained from killing
Black adapting is also anime-exclusive, and he didn't use Super Saiyan 2. He had Goku's Super Saiyan 1 hairstyle and that's much more indicative for Goku than other Saiyans.
goku black had blue lighting like a super saiyan 2 when he fought vegeta it stands to reason that is ssj2 no matter how you slice it.
SSG Goku >>>>>>> SSJ3 Goku >= SSJ2 Trunks > SSJ2 Trunks (suppressed) >= SSJ2 Goku, is what was shown in their short fight. Goku was never suppressed with Super Saiyan 2 or 3.
I can change the ssj3 goku (Suppressed) to Full power because trunks FP ssj2 was stronger than goku ssj3 and thats why he switched to god form.
What is this? Toppo didn't have a god mode in the manga. He was just a normal dude.
toppo was a candidate for the god of destruction title even in the manga it stands to reason he had the aura of a god after learning it from his universe's destroyer.
Even suppressed Beerus shouldn't be weaker than these guys, let alone several times weaker like you have.
Beerus should be a 10, Goku, MUI should be 12, Granolah should be well above that if he took out goku in his perfected MUI state plus vegeta's UE
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As a general note, you have a LOT of superfluous levels. There's really no reason to include "injured" or "fatigued" power levels unless they directly affect the plot, like with Goku's fight against Android 19 or SSB Vegeta against Hit. It's a lot of clutter.
they do affect the plot if the characters get injured it stands to reason they also get fatigued from fighting or any other circumstantial problems that occurs like goku heart virus that weakened him in his fight with 19 or vegeta use of SSB when it was stated by whis that constant use of it consumes much of his stamina so he could use a fraction of the power against hit.
 

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goku's a saiyan with unlimited battle potential i wanted to at least give hercule a sort of power
Ok....but that doesn't answer my question. Goku survived several bullet injuries with minimum damage. Satan nearly died from one bullet. Goku broke bricks with a finger. Satan hurts his hand breaking barely a dozen tiles. Goku one-shots a sword wielding giant bear. A pissed can't knock a skinny gunman out cold.


Debut Kid Goku is way stronger than Mr. Satan. I don't understand what you mean by this "potential" bullshit. Mr. Satan was scared to fight Jewel and Killa together so he's not much stronger than your ordinary human fighter, Goku's strength was extraordinary from chapter 1 so much so that Roshi said that Goku was already approaching the "human wall".
 

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Yeah, you're trolling. Your reasoning is nonsense and you blatantly ignore shit. Moving on.
 

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Yeah I would like to know what puts Satan at 45 when a pissed off Satan couldn't even knock a skinny gunman out, whereas Debut Goku (who you have at 10) one-shotted a giant bear with a sword.
Goku official power was 10 when he was a child
Plus goku is far from that he's a super saiyan this is a different era Bro. So hercule was weaker than goku when the latter and series started
Yeah, you're trolling. Your reasoning is nonsense and you blatantly ignore shit. Moving on.
Who me Come on I don't ignore that much
 

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Roshi being 10x stronger than Goku and half as strong as Roshi's max power literally feels like a joke
back then roshi was stronger than goku currently plus goku was a kid his power level as a baby was 2 from that to 10 to 100 as a great ape to 8,200 to 90,000 to 180,000 to 3,000,000 to 150,000,000
 

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back then roshi was stronger than goku currently plus goku was a kid his power level as a baby was 2 from that to 10
Even when Goku was 12, even before any training he well and truly would have whooped Satan. Like come on Satan is stronger than Roshi according to your list, doesn't that seem wrong to you?
 

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Satan's greatest feat was beating up two common thugs in the Boo arc. Roshi single handedly destroyed an entire unit of the RRA in DB.
 
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Despite all the mistakes you mention, I appreciate all the work you have done. It serves as a reference point for later making a list of PLs in the ToP.

My big question is because you have General Blue and General White stronger than Arale? A very weakened Goku surpassed General White, Arale also defeated General Blue with extreme ease.
 

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Despite all the mistakes you mention, I appreciate all the work you have done. It serves as a reference point for later making a list of PLs in the ToP.

My big question is because you have General Blue and General White stronger than Arale? A very weakened Goku surpassed General White, Arale also defeated General Blue with extreme ease.
According to DBS anime Arale is probably MUI tier
 

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Even when Goku was 12, even before any training he well and truly would have whooped Satan. Like come on Satan is stronger than Roshi according to your list, doesn't that seem wrong to you?
do you want me to switch hercule to a 5 power level
 

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I think 6.66 is good for him 😆.

Tbh, I disagree with Goku's guidebook power level of 10 in the first place but I guess if you want to follow the scouter numbers it's best to keep him as low as you can but even then you run into issues with less than half Old Daimao being way stronger than Goku's given 180 power level and Roshi being over 30% of BoZ Goku and Piccolo.
 

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I think 6.66 is good for him 😆.

Tbh, I disagree with Goku's guidebook power level of 10 in the first place but I guess if you want to follow the scouter numbers it's best to keep him as low as you can but even then you run into issues with less than half Old Daimao being way stronger than Goku's given 180 power level and Roshi being over 30% of BoZ Goku and Piccolo.
Don't forget that Piccolo Daimao > Kami.
 
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