Evidence that Present Androids=Alternate Androids.

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-Cell seeing Weighted Kamiccolo's and SSJ Vegeta's power and stating that only Piccolo can fight them.
-Implications that Goku had no serious gains during the 3 years.
-Alternate Seventeen's 'less than half' statement.
 

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Alternate aka Future ones?

Also why couldn't just Cell assumed that Piccolo with no weights is the only one who can take the Androids?
 

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Fearless In Quarantine said:
Alternate aka Future ones?

Also why couldn't just Cell assumed that Piccolo with no weights is the only one who can take the Androids?

He said 'fight them', not 'defeat them'.
 

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Couldn't that just be Cell talking about his timelines Androids?

Trunks' Androids could still be weaker even with Cell's comment on Piccolo.
 

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Present #17/18 = Future #17/18 doesn't make much sense from a narrative standpoint. If that were the case, there's no reason to add in the line that makes it apparent Toriyama is trying to say Present > Future.

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-Cell seeing Weighted Kamiccolo's and SSJ Vegeta's power and stating that only Piccolo can fight them.
Along with the evidence of SSJ Vegeta ~ Future #17/18 being pretty vague, the context could've also been referring to a 2 on 1 situation. Also, that only applies for Cell's timeline that has drastic differences to Trunks' already, such as the time machine being set for 1 year earlier in the past.

-Implications that Goku had no serious gains during the 3 years.
Such as?

-Alternate Seventeen's 'less than half' statement.
Which doesn't necessarily add up with Trunks' conclusion as pieces of a puzzle when if it really was such an important thing, then Toriyama would never have Trunks mention how they compared, especially when he also made it apparent he could hold his own 1 on 1. #17's "less than half" power can still be added without being important to what Trunks said as it serves as a way to shock Gohan and show him as being in over his head. #18's annoyance when fighting Trunks for the last time and wanting to kill him would also suggest she and her brother probably weren't just playing around the last time they fought him.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:

I think the burden of proof is on those who claim he actually changed, CC.

But yeah, those 3 random topics were extremely vague and poorly explained. F- for :withheld here.
 

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If you're going to boast about implications and then act like the burden of proof is on the other side, dont talk.
 

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GreatSaiyaman123 said:
I think the burden of proof is on those who claim he actually changed, CC.
Not much burden of proof when even without bringing up things like Piccolo's gains, Goku never acting worried about the situation when he knows he'd have to vastly surpass SSJ Trunks to stand a chance says it all about the gains he made.
 

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Super Saiyan said:
If you're going to boast about implications and then act like the burden of proof is on the other side, dont talk.

I'm just pointing out that you shouldn't ask someone why the status quo is the same, that's all.
 

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I'm confused here. At first you claimed there were implications that no gains were made, then CC asked you for those implications and you said the burden of proof was on him. I dont even know what you're talking about.
 

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The claims were made by Withheld, not me. CC was countering his points and I just came to say CC had the burden of proof.

But thinking about it, :withheld did say there were implications for it and posted none, so I guess the burden of proof is his here.
 

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withheldforprivacy said:
-Cell seeing Weighted Kamiccolo's and SSJ Vegeta's power and stating that only Piccolo can fight them.
-Implications that Goku had no serious gains during the 3 years.
-Alternate Seventeen's 'less than half' statement.

Cell made this statement before knowing that Vegeta had not been killed by the Androids and also did not know that Vegeta SSJ (Arc Android) was so strong.
 

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I also believe that the Cell and Future Trunks Timelines are identical, until Trunks returns for the second time to the Future.

  I think the reason why Cell travels a year earlier is because he did not fully prepare the machine, as he was attacked by Cell by surprise.
 

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Cell's line is weird. Only Piccolo can fight the Androids, yet Vegeta was holding his own against #18?
 

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Cell is surprised Vegeta is alive, so he didn't know Vegeta fought #18...even though he should've been able to sense him.

Typical inconsistent Cell Arc writing, I guess.
 

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Not really CC. Just remembered he didn’t come across Vegeta until after his statement was made.
 

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If he had sensed not only Vegeta, but Piccolo, Trunks and Tenshithands fighting #18 and #17, Cell being surprised at only Vegeta's survival doesn't make any sense. Only logical conclusion is to assume he for whatever reason didn't sense the fight.
 

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Wasn't he still in the cocoon when the Z Fighters fought the Cyborgs? There's quite a time gap between that and Cell's debut.
 

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That's pretty arguable. The time difference between the battle and Cell wiping out Gingertown and Nikkitown was only a couple of hours and it logically should've taken Cell a while to get to those towns immediately after emerging from his hiberanation and give their populaces the succ in so little time whilst just running and hiding his Ki. It's not impossible, but is very unlikely.
 

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IIRC It is stated (Or at least aluded to) that Piccolo spend a couple days in the lookout until Kami decided to fuse to stop Cell, so it's not like was around already otherwise Kami would've instantly conceded.
 

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