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[Dagon]

Spoiler: Daizenshuu 8

The real Freeza battle levels heheh.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Spoiler: Daizenshuu 8

The real Freeza battle levels heheh.

Haha, can't wait to watch the fanboys twist themselves into knots trying to explain how to make everything work to fit these.

 

[Dagon]

Haha, can't wait to watch the fanboys twist themselves into knots trying to explain how to make everything work to fit these.

The numbers are actually higher than the numbers you see. For example you're supposed to multiply based on the symbol under the powers. For example the two "mountains" mean multiply by 100, so 2nd form Freeza is 1.2 million at full power, 3rd form Freeza is 1.5 million, and what looks like 3rd form Freeza while transforming is 1.6 million, and initial 4th form Freeza is 1.8 million.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Hmm. Just remembering another power chain that debunks this as well.


Goku is able to keep up with someone who can kick back Vegeta's biggest attack.

Freeza Warm Up >= Goku Warm Up > Vegeta


Goku and Freeza's Warm Up powers have to probably be 1.5x Vegeta.

Then, Freeza knows Goku has more in the tank, yet expects Goku still not to be able to hit him. Goku Warm Up is significantly behind Goku's full power.

Freeza No Hands > Goku Full Power > Expected Goku > Warm Up Goku

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I don't agree. Vegeta is always shocked by Gohan's rage ability, he's not counting on it when he makes the statement regarding 1st Form Freeza.

He singles out Gohan’s dormant power as the big deal. Vegeta doesn’t expect Enrages Gohan > Himself, but he’s counting on Gohan’s dormant power for sure.

 

[FeatsofPower]

He singles out Gohan’s dormant power as the big deal.

When?

Vegeta doesn’t expect Enrages Gohan > Himself, but he’s counting on Gohan’s dormant power for sure.

Where?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P9.1-5
Vegeta: “We can win! If the 3 of us fight together, we’ll be able to win somehow or another! [ ] It seems that even Freeza hasn’t noticed…These two’s battle power is steadily rising…The squirt in particular hides so much inner strength that he doesn’t even know it himself…”

 

[FeatsofPower]

The squirt in particular hides so much inner strength that he doesn’t even know it himself…”

That's just saying Gohan > Krillen. Not talking about his enraged power.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

That's just saying Gohan > Krillen. Not talking about his enraged power.

How? Rage is his true, dormant power.

If it’s not about rage then Gohan >>> Kuririn.

 

[FeatsofPower]

How? Rage is his true, dormant power.

Vegeta is shocked by Gohan's ability to power up through rage. It's just talking about his regular old power I'd guess.

If it’s not about rage then Gohan >>> Kuririn.

Yeah, I've always taken this as an opportunity to extend the gap between the two.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Vegeta is shocked by Gohan's ability to power up through rage. It's just talking about his regular old power I'd guess.

Good catch. He’s never seen it before right? On Earth he thought it was his normal power since he couldn’t sense Ki yet.

I think we gotta push Kuririn down by a lot then. Kuririn should barely be touching 100k by that logic. His potential is nowhere near Gohan’s.

 

[FeatsofPower]

I think we gotta push Kuririn down by a lot then. Kuririn should barely be touching 100k by that logic. His potential is nowhere near Gohan’s.

Krillen thought the same thing when he brought him to Guru’s. How big of a gap is that?

 

[Goku9001]

You're already dismissing the fact that Vegeta claimed that they are all gradually getting stronger which is what Vegeta expects from clashing with First Form Frieza. By the time he fights Initial Final Form Frieza, they're all pretty much reaching their limits and Vegeta doesn't want to take chances.

 

[FeatsofPower]

You're already dismissing the fact that Vegeta claimed that they are all gradually getting stronger which is what Vegeta expects from clashing with First Form Frieza. By the time he fights Initial Final Form Frieza, they're all pretty much reaching their limits and Vegeta doesn't want to take chances.

How much stronger did Krillen get from the first statement to the second?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Krillen thought the same thing when he brought him to Guru’s. How big of a gap is that?

But that was just the initial boost. By the end of the saga, Gohan >>>>> Kuririn.

Also time seems to be a factor, and there's a timeskip of a couple days between Kuririn getting his potential unlocked and Gohan.

 

[FeatsofPower]

ut that was just the initial boost. By the end of the saga, Gohan >>>>> Kuririn.

Because Gohan received multiple zenkais on top of his boost from Guru.

Also time seems to be a factor, and there's a timeskip of a couple days between Kuririn getting his potential unlocked and Gohan.

Where is it suggested Krillen got stronger from the time he received it to prior to Gohan receiving it?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Because Gohan received multiple zenkais on top of his boost from Guru.

Zenkais, potential unlocks and rage boosts all draw from the same source.

Where is it suggested Krillen got stronger from the time he received it to prior to Gohan receiving it?

When Vegeta says their powers are "steadily rising". What's "steady" about a 10x power up in 15 minutes after days without any change? This is the best explanation for why Kuririn's potential (the smallest among the main cast) could ever keep with Gohan's (the highest among the main cast).

 

[Goku9001]

How much stronger did Krillen get from the first statement to the second?

Not sure. Why?