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Assuming:
SSJ2 Kid Gohan: 640
Cell (Zenkai): 600
SSJ Kid Gohan: 160
SSJ Goku: 120
SSJ Vegeta: 75

Where we can place:
Cell (@Goku)
Cell (@Gohan)
SSJ Goten and Trunks
SSJ/2 Vegeta (Buu Arc, Pre)
SSJ/2 Goku (Buu Arc)
SSJ/2 Gohan (Buu Arc)
Dabura (Assuming Gohan was SSJ2)
Kaioshin
 

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Cell was overhelming Goku with his speed, but when he got serious at Gohan only superficially wounded him. The lowest i'd put Gohan is 150.
 

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Yeah you're right Saiyaman, Gohan is considerably stronger than Goku. Don't let Fearless influence you, he is no better than anyone, his opinion is no higher than yours, show him it!!!!

Going with your numbers I'd have:


Cell (vs goku) : 135
Cell (vs gohan) : 160
SSJ Goten 110
SSJ Trunks 115
SSJ Vegeta (pre) 160
SSJ2 Vegeta (pre) 640
SSJ Goku 200
SSJ2 Goku 800
SSJ Gohan (Boo arc) 120
SSJ2 Gohan 480
Dabura 480
Kaioshin 110
Perfect Cell (FP) 360
Super Perfect Cell 580
 

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The fact that Cell only need to increase his speed in order to beat Gohan says it all. Cell was using the same power against Goku and Gohan fact!
 

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ahill1 said:
Yeah you're right Saiyaman, Gohan is considerably stronger than Goku. Don't let Fearless influence you, he is no better than anyone, his opinion is no higher than yours, show him it!!!!

Going with your numbers I'd have:


Cell (vs goku) : 135
Cell (vs gohan) : 160
SSJ Goten 110
SSJ Trunks 115
SSJ Vegeta (pre) 160
SSJ2 Vegeta (pre) 640
SSJ Goku 200
SSJ2 Goku 800
SSJ Gohan (Boo arc) 120
SSJ2 Gohan 480
Dabura 480
Kaioshin 110
Perfect Cell (FP) 360
Super Perfect Cell 580

I'd never trust this fearless goddamn Muslim!

Anyway, those numbers are great, they look like mine! But i have some critics:

1) Goten and Trunks are too high. Goten couldn't land a single hit on a rusty Gohan in a sparring match!

2) Vegeta stated he never changed the gap between him and Goku, so the gap should still being 1.5x

3) Shouldn't Dabura be < Gohan? His blast even scratched Gohan.
 

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I don't agree with the gaps you gave in the first place, but, just to play by your rules...

SSJ2 Kid Gohan: 640
Cell (Zenkai): 600
SSJ Kid Gohan: 160
SSJ Goku: 120
SSJ Vegeta: 75
Cell (@Goku): 135
Cell (@Gohan): 150
SSJ Goten and Trunks: 110
SSJ/2 Vegeta (Buu Arc, Pre): 150/600
SSJ/2 Goku (Buu Arc): 180/720
SSJ/2 Gohan (Buu Arc): 120/480
Dabura (Assuming Gohan was SSJ2): 450
Kaioshin: Stronger than Piccolo or weaker than Puipui
 

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Assuming:
SSJ2 Kid Gohan: 640
Cell (Zenkai): 600
SSJ Kid Gohan: 160
SSJ Goku: 120
SSJ Vegeta: 75

Where we can place:
Cell (@Goku): 135
Cell (@Gohan):
SSJ Goten and Trunks: 112.5 / 120
SSJ/2 Vegeta (Buu Arc, Pre): 144 /576
SSJ/2 Goku (Buu Arc): 180 / 720
SSJ/2 Gohan (Buu Arc): 125 / 500
Dabura (Assuming Gohan was SSJ2): 450
Kaioshin: 100
 

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withheldforprivacy said:
I don't agree with the gaps you gave in the first place, but, just to play by your rules...

SSJ2 Kid Gohan: 640
Cell (Zenkai): 600
SSJ Kid Gohan: 160
SSJ Goku: 120
SSJ Vegeta: 75
Cell (@Goku): 135
Cell (@Gohan): 150
SSJ Goten and Trunks: 110
SSJ/2 Vegeta (Buu Arc, Pre): 150/600
SSJ/2 Goku (Buu Arc): 180/720
SSJ/2 Gohan (Buu Arc): 120/480
Dabura (Assuming Gohan was SSJ2): 450
Kaioshin: Stronger than Piccolo or weaker than Puipui

Which gaps you don't agree?
Mikey™ said:
Assuming:
SSJ2 Kid Gohan: 640
Cell (Zenkai): 600
SSJ Kid Gohan: 160
SSJ Goku: 120
SSJ Vegeta: 75

Where we can place:
Cell (@Goku): 135
Cell (@Gohan):
SSJ Goten and Trunks: 112.5 / 120
SSJ/2 Vegeta (Buu Arc, Pre): 144 /576
SSJ/2 Goku (Buu Arc): 180 / 720
SSJ/2 Gohan (Buu Arc): 125 / 500
Dabura (Assuming Gohan was SSJ2): 450
Kaioshin: 100

Shouldn't Goku be way above Vegeta? And i feel like Goten and Trunks are overrated. Goten never hold his own against Gohan, he blocked all his attacks. They should be something like 90-100 IMO.
 

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Assuming:
SSJ2 Kid Gohan: 640
Cell (Zenkai): 600
SSJ Kid Gohan: 160
SSJ Goku: 120
SSJ Vegeta: 75

Where we can place:
Cell (@Goku): 140
Cell (@Gohan): 160
SSJ Goten and Trunks: 110/115
SSJ/2 Vegeta (Buu Arc, Pre): 150/600
SSJ/2 Goku (Buu Arc): 176/704
SSJ/2 Gohan (Buu Arc): 130/520
Dabura (Assuming Gohan was SSJ2): 468
Kaioshin: 100
 

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GreatSaiyaman123 said:
Shouldn't Goku be way above Vegeta? And i feel like Goten and Trunks are overrated. Goten never hold his own against Gohan, he blocked all his attacks. They should be something like 90-100 IMO.

He should be, but Vegeta should also be way above CG Goku. The gaps are a bit tight and hard to accommodate around both of those requirements. I guess Vegeta having only one day to fight Goku can justify the gap not being tremendous; it's not like Vegeta could catch up to Goku in a day, even if the gap is only like 1.25x or so.

Not in my eyes. Their fight looked almost completely even to me.
 

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Mikey™ said:
GreatSaiyaman123 said:
Shouldn't Goku be way above Vegeta? And i feel like Goten and Trunks are overrated. Goten never hold his own against Gohan, he blocked all his attacks. They should be something like 90-100 IMO.

He should be, but Vegeta should also be way above CG Goku. The gaps are a bit tight and hard to accommodate around both of those requirements. I guess Vegeta having only one day to fight Goku can justify the gap not being tremendous; it's not like Vegeta could catch up to Goku in a day, even if the gap is only like 1.25x or so.

Not in my eyes. Their fight looked almost completely even to me.

The things aren't really tight since we don't have an ceiling for SSJ Goku, but it doesn't seem right to put Goku more than twice stronger than Gohan. I'm willing to consider Vegeta statement to be about never closing the gap instead of never changing it and put him at 75% of Goku or something.

In my eyes Goten was actually giving Gohan a good fight and putting him on defensive, but he wasn't fast enough to hit him. He even states he couldn't touch him after the match.
 

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So i think i'm going with this:
Cell (@Goku): 135
Cell (@Gohan): 160
Cell (Full Power): 300
SSJ Goten and Trunks: 108 and 112,5
SSJ/2 Gohan: 135/540
SSJ/2 Vegeta: 165/660
SSJ/2 Goku: 225/900
Dabura: 500
Kaioshin: 110-120
 

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