Fill it in (Android Saga)

[Fantastische Hure]

Done this before, but was quite some-time ago.

Android #17 - 100
Android #18 -

Piccolo (post-Kami; weighted) -
Imperfect-Cell (post-Ginger-Town) -

Super-Saiyan Vegeta -
Super-Saiyan Goku -
Super-Saiyan Trunks -

Future #17 -
-- <50% --
Future #18 -

Super-Saiyan Goku (post-Yardrat) -
Super-Saiyan Trunks (debut) -
Super-Saiyan Future Gohan -

Super-Saiyan Future Gohan (before he lost his arm) -

Mecha-Freeza -
Super-Saiyan Goku (Namek) -
100% Freeza

 

[GSM123]

Cyborg 17: 100
Cyborg 18: 90

Kamiccolo (Weighted): 90
Cell (Ginger Town): 75

SSJ Vegeta: 67.5
SSJ Goku: 65
SSJ Trunks: 62.5

Future 17: 67.5
~ <50%: 27
Future 18: 67.5

SSJ Goku (Yardrat): 40
SSJ Trunks (Debut): 33.75

Cyborg Freeza: 27
SSJ Goku (Namek): 25
100% Freeza: 24

 

[ahill1]

Just a rough estimation.


Android #17 - 100
Android #18 - 90

Piccolo (post-Kami; weighted) - 90
Imperfect-Cell (post-Ginger-Town) - 75

Super-Saiyan Vegeta - 67.5
Super-Saiyan Goku - 65
Super-Saiyan Trunks - 60

Future #17 -75
-- <50% -- 30
Future #18 - 67.5

Super-Saiyan Goku (post-Yardrat) - 45
Super-Saiyan Trunks (debut) - 40
Super-Saiyan Future Gohan - 36

Super-Saiyan Future Gohan (before he lost his arm) - 24

Mecha-Freeza - 22
Super-Saiyan Goku (Namek) - 21
100% Freeza - 19.5


Eh... it seems too much bloated (I have yardrat Goku more than 2x his Namek self), but whatever.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I'd rather Future Gohan be > Freeza Saga Goku, so I'm good with that.

 

[Six Trails]

Android #17 - 100
Android #18 - 87.5

Piccolo (post-Kami; weighted) - 90
Imperfect-Cell (post-Ginger-Town) - 75

Super-Saiyan Vegeta - 62.5
Super-Saiyan Goku - 60
Super-Saiyan Trunks - 56.25

Future #17 - 62.5
-- <50% -- 22.5
Future #18 - 62.5

Super-Saiyan Goku (post-Yardrat) - 31.25
Super-Saiyan Trunks (debut) - 27
Super-Saiyan Future Gohan - 25

Super-Saiyan Future Gohan (before he lost his arm) - 18.75

Mecha-Freeza - 16.875
Super-Saiyan Goku (Namek) - 15.625
100% Freeza - 15
:dawae

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I tried too, but I can't get the list to look good.

Great scales everyone.

 

[p123]

Super Saiyan Goku (Earth) 225,000,000
Super Saiyan Trunks 200,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan (1 Arm) 190,000,000
Future 17 (Less than Half) 160,000,000
Cyborg Freeza 160,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku (Namek) 150,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan (2 Arms) 140,000,000
Freeza 140,000,000

 

[p123]

I think that's about as clean cut as we can make it...

Yardrat 225
Trunks 200
Cyborg Freeza 160
Goku Namek 150
Freeza 140

The other ones can be changed a bit, but there's not much room.

You guys should adopt my new multipliers. I have Super Saiyan as a 25x boost, and Kaioken maxing out at 10x. It makes things work very smoothly for the Freeza Saga and of course all the other sagas benefit from the smaller boost big time!

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I think that's about as clean cut as we can make it...

Yardrat 225
Trunks 200
Cyborg Freeza 160
Goku Namek 150
Freeza 140

The other ones can be changed a bit, but there's not much room.

You guys should adopt my new multipliers. I have Super Saiyan as a 25x boost, and Kaioken maxing out at 10x. It makes things work very smoothly for the Freeza Saga and of course all the other sagas benefit from the smaller boost big time!

You are literally changing the story. Do you understand what you're doing? It's fan-fiction basically

 

[p123]

Exactly! Be creative! How long have we been trying to make square pegs fit into circular fittings? Be creative and write your own story. Use the manga as the baseline and improve upon it.

One day we can combine all of our thoughts into a master class rewritten manga and who knows, perhaps someone will edit some of the statements in the character bubbles and make it awesome. DBZ is a great work of art, but it can be improved upon just like anything else.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Exactly! Be creative! How long have we been trying to make square pegs fit into circular fittings? Be creative and write your own story. Use the manga as the baseline and improve upon it.

One day we can combine all of our thoughts into a master class rewritten manga and who knows, perhaps someone will edit some of the statements in the character bubbles and make it awesome. DBZ is a great work of art, but it can be improved upon just like anything else.

Fine you do what you want to, but I wouldn't expect anyone-else to follow your "improved" story.

 

[p123]

I sure hope they don't. Create your own and we can pick and choose what is superior and inferior over the original story.

 

[GSM123]

You guys should adopt my new multipliers. I have Super Saiyan as a 25x boost, and Kaioken maxing out at 10x. It makes things work very smoothly for the Freeza Saga and of course all the other sagas benefit from the smaller boost big time!

Nah man this is getting too much out of hand. Why not use 50x and then lower post Freeza to 25x instead of ignoring story for the sake of headcanon?

 

[p123]

Because 50x creates horrendous issues in the later saga. Many people would like a mere 10x boost for Super Saiyan the way the story is written.

All of those Kaioken levels were completely unnecessary, drastically bloating the shit out of the Freeza Saga. I don't mind huge power ups, but bloat for the sake of bloat makes a power level list a complete joke. No reason to have Freeza getting that damn powerful. Check this list at and look at how much better it looks. I'm able to keep Super Saiyan Goku at 150 mil and still keep all of the other levels intact leading up to it. A feat worthy of praise. Usually SSJ Goku has to end up around 350 million or so to be truly accurate. Here you go, for your enjoyment.


Freeza Saga


Krillin 200,000
Vegeta 475,000

1st Form Freeza (Initial) 450,000
~ Full Power 530,000

Gohan 250,000
~ Rage Boost 1,000,000

2nd Form Freeza (Initial) 1,060,000
~ Powered Up 1,300,000
~ Full Power 1,600,000

Piccolo (W/Weights) 1,350,000
~ W/o Weights 1,700,000

Gohan (Zenkai) 1,000,000
~ Rage Boost 2,000,000

3rd Form Freeza 2,400,000

Vegeta 3,500,000
~ Final Burst Cannon 7,000,000

Freeza (Initial) 4,000,000
~ Increased Effort 5,000,000
~ Max Base Power 7,000,000
~ 50% 70,000,000
~ (~70%) 100,000,000
~ 100% 140,000,000

Goku (Initial) 4,750,000
~ Full Power 6,000,000
~ Kaioken x5 30,000,000
~ Kaioken x10 60,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 150,000,000

 

[GSM123]

Which issues are greated with the 50x boost?

 

[p123]

The Humans Power + Piccolo's Suppressed power is supposed to make a difference against Super Saiyan level powers when absorbed. Which is absolutely ridiculous as a 50x boost.

Base/SSJ Trunks vs Imperfect Cell

Base Saiyans vs Androids in the Buu Saga

 

[Pyro]

Spoiler

Android #17 - 100
Android #18 - 86

Piccolo (post-Kami; weighted) - 84
Imperfect-Cell (post-Ginger-Town) - 72

Super-Saiyan Vegeta - 64
Super-Saiyan Goku - 62 (sick - 40)
Super-Saiyan Trunks - 60
Piccolo - 54

Future #17 - 75
-- <50% -- 30
Future #18 - 64

Android #20 - 40
Android #19 (post-absorption) - 35
Android #19 - 28

Super-Saiyan Goku (post-Yardrat) - 36
Super-Saiyan Trunks (debut) - 34
Super-Saiyan Future Gohan - 32

Super-Saiyan Future Gohan (before he lost his arm) - 25

Mecha-Freeza - 28
Super-Saiyan Goku (Namek) - 27
100% Freeza - 26

Base Vegeta - 6.4
Base Goku - 6.2
Base Trunks - 6
Piccolo (suppressed) - 5.8
Gohan - 5.2
Krillin - 4.8
Tenshinhan - 4.4
Yamcha - 4

Very minimalist.

 

[p123]

In Gero's Mind...


Super Saiyan Vegeta 400
Gero (Post Piccolo) 300
Piccolo (Full Power) 300
Piccolo (Suppressed) 120
Gohan/Krillen/Tien 120

Even a 2.5x Super Saiyan boost can't get it done. Gero's calculations are clearly way off, but you'd need something like this to get it done.

 

[Pyro]

Gero + 2x suppressed Piccolo + Gohan + Krillin + Tenshinhan >~ SSJ Vegeta

40 + 5.8 + 5.8 + 5.2 + 4.8 + 4.4 = 66 > 64

I did it. You don't need super strong humans, just a pretty strong base Gero and no massive 1.2x gaps.

 

[p123]

Where is Android 20 Pre?

Also, the formula is...


Suppressed Piccolo = Humans

Either option two times should give 20 a real chance. You are acting as if he needs one of those 3x.