Final Form Freeza is a Monster

[FeatsofPower]

I mean, I can make the case that the gap between Piccolo and Initial Final Form Freeza is a larger gap than the gap between Krillen and 2nd Form Freeza Powered Up.

Freeza does the biggest transformation in the history of Dragonball. Piccolo says he can offer no help, whereas before he thought he could help out against 1st Form Freeza even prior to fusing with Nail.

Vegeta is indeed helpless against 2nd Form Freeza, but he at least thought about helping out.

Piccolo thinks he is completely of no use against Final Form Freeza and literally cannot even see his movements.

Krillen is able to see the movements of 2nd Form Freeza, so whatever gap you have between Krillen and 2nd Form Freeza, should be smaller than the gap between Piccolo and Final Form Freeza.

Here's some ballpark numbers.


Krillen 200,000
Gohan 250,000
Piccolo W/ Weights 275,000
Piccolo W/o Weights 350,000
Freeza (Initial) 450,000
Vegeta 475,000
Freeza (FP) 530,000
Hypothethical Kamiccolo W/ Weights 550,000
Hypothetical Kamiccolo W/o Weights 700,000
Enraged Gohan 750,000
Zenkai Gohan 1,000,000
Freeza 2nd Form 1,060,000
Freeza 2nd Form Powered Up 1,340,000
Piccolo W/ Weights 1,375,000
Freeza 2nd Form FP 1,650,000
Piccolo W/o Weights 1,750,000
Enraged Gohan 2,000,000
3rd Form Freeza 2,500,000
Vegeta 9,000,000
Final Form Freeza (Initial) 10,000,000
Goku 12,000,000
Freeza Increased Speed = Warm Up Freeza 12,500,000
Final Burst Cannon 13,500,000
Goku (FP) 15,000,000
Freeza No Hands = Kicking Back Final Burst Cannon 17,500,000


The only potential issue I see here is I have Krillen vs 2nd Form Freeza at a smaller gap than Piccolo vs Final Form Freeza (Initial).

Even with the gargantuan gaps I have here, it's still not perfect. Freeza is a friggen monster.

 

[Hector]

The reason it took Freeza so long to transform into his final form was that that gave him access to a power hundreds of times greater. But his initial power in the final form doesn't have to be more than 1.33x his third form's power.

Krillin could see the movements of Freeza's second form for the sake of plot convenience, the same reason Dende could see Buutenks' moves and go like, "Gohan, watch out!"

 

[FeatsofPower]

But his initial power in the final form doesn't have to be more than 1.33x his third form's power.

Gohan and Krillen are a help against 1st Form Freeza, Gohan and Piccolo are seen as completely useless against Final Form Freeza. Those gaps have to be accounted for. 1.33x definitely isn't going to cut it.

Krillin could see the movements of Freeza's second form for the sake of plot convenience

This is true, but it gives Final Form Freeza the biggest feat out of all Freeza's, it can't be so easily dismissed. The purpose of the feat is to shown the dramatic distance he now has over everyone, Final Form Freeza's gap > Z Fighters is superior to any other version of Freeza.

 

[Hector]

1. Gohan and Krillen are a help against 1st Form Freeza, Gohan and Piccolo are seen as completely useless against Final Form Freeza. Those gaps have to be accounted for. 1.33x definitely isn't going to cut it.


2. This is true, but it gives Final Form Freeza the biggest feat out of all Freeza's, it can't be so easily dismissed. The purpose of the feat is to shown the dramatic distance he now has over everyone, Final Form Freeza's gap > Z Fighters is superior to any other version of Freeza.

1. Vegeta wanted to try his luck himself.

2. I think AT just wanted to show that Freeza had become even stronger. No need for such gaps.

 

[Animelover5487]

Gohan and Krillen are a help against 1st Form Freeza, Gohan and Piccolo are seen as completely useless against Final Form Freeza. Those gaps have to be accounted for. 1.33x definitely isn't going to cut it.


This is true, but it gives Final Form Freeza the biggest feat out of all Freeza's, it can't be so easily dismissed. The purpose of the feat is to shown the dramatic distance he now has over everyone, Final Form Freeza's gap > Z Fighters is superior to any other version of Freeza.

Freeza can be 1.5 times stronger than them abs do the same thing. The Ginyu Force couldn't see Goku's movements at all at that gap.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Freeza can be 1.5 times stronger than them abs do the same thing. The Ginyu Force couldn't see Goku's movements at all at that gap.

Piccolo could see 3rd Form Freeza and Vegeta could see 2nd Form Freeza. It's a superior feat over the Zfighters beyond what other Freezas were capable of doing. It has to be given its due.

 

[FeatsofPower]

2. I think AT just wanted to show that Freeza had become even stronger. No need for such gaps.

Overwhelmingly stronger, much more so that ever before.

 

[Animelover5487]

Piccolo could see 3rd Form Freeza and Vegeta could see 2nd Form Freeza. It's a superior feat over the Zfighters beyond what other Freezas were capable of doing. It has to be given its due.

From what I remember of Piccolo vs 3rd Form Freeza. Freeza blitzed Piccolo despite Piccolo having a considerable head-start and nearly killed him with finger beams while barely trying. The gap becomes far greater when Freeza turns into his final form. The gap between Piccolo and Initial FF Freeza could be greater than Vegeta and 2nd Form Freeza but it doesn't have to be multiford since 2nd Form Freeza isn't much more than 2 times Vegeta.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Except that we don't know how powerful Piccolo is prior to fusing with Nail, Nail just did indeed appreciate his power on a somewhat vague way, anyways, 9 million for Vegeta doesn't make sense for me, his best feat was to outperform Piccolo observing Freeza's movements (which he was unable to do) and Piccolo only surpasses one million, everything else, it's theorize too much for me.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

From what I remember of Piccolo vs 3rd Form Freeza. Freeza blitzed Piccolo despite Piccolo having a considerable head-start and nearly killed him with finger beams while barely trying. The gap becomes far greater when Freeza turns into his final form. The gap between Piccolo and Initial FF Freeza could be greater than Vegeta and 2nd Form Freeza but it doesn't have to be multiford since 2nd Form Freeza isn't much more than 2 times Vegeta.

Not really, Vegeta didn't even reach 530k given that he was weaker than 1st form Freeza, 2nd form Freeza after transforming (before even powering up) even surpassed the million, the gap between 2nd form Freeza and Vegeta is far bigger than 2x and the gap between 4th form Freeza (initial) and Piccolo far exceeds that.