For old time’s sake

[Fantastische Hure]

So, uh, what would an appropriate power-level for post-DBZeta-Sword Gohan be? 2 2 2

 

[Kyo]

Pre-RST, yes. I've never been a big proponent for Base pre > SSJ2s anyway, as far as I can recall, so not sure why I decided to implement it. I guess I figured that it doesn't hurt to just have SSJ3 be some massive boost to compensate.

Post-RST Gagtenks, I also don't really think you need to go with the Base post > SSJ3 stuff and whatnot, but that stuff's a bit more solid and I have no real issue adhering to it, so I always have. Used to be more of a stickler for it before though.

So, uh, what would an appropriate power-level for post-DBZeta-Sword Gohan be? 2 2 2

I dunno. As time went on I always became less precise with these less relevant Boo arc powers. Maybe just 1.5x SSJ2 Goku. Don't think he has to be that strong.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Other-wise, gr9 levels and I like the running-joke with never putting-up a level for Vegetto.

Thumbs up.

 

[Kyo]

I'm sure there's a pretty old list out there in which I did work out Vegetto's level :dawae

But in general it just seems to be a pointless endeavor

 

[Kyo]

Though perhaps one can argue that this entire process if a pointless endeavor, so joke's on me

 

[Void]

It's not a pointless endeavor. We love nitpicking PL lists.

Pre Base Gotenks can be wherever you want. He's trash.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

You know Cell could be 126 billion, unless you widened the gap a-bit on purpose.

Also don't you think Gotenks vs Super-Boo is a bit of a bigger gap. Gotenks basically was like anything you can do I can do better, best shown when Super-Boo mouth-blasts Gotenks with a surprise attack and Gotenks easily shrugs it off and is just a bit annoyed with cosmetic damage and then counter mouth-blasts which facks Boo up.

 

[Kyo]

Cell vs Goku? Yeah, 126 is probably the level I'd normally go with actually, but yeah I did widen it slightly for this list. I don't remember the reasoning right now.

And yeah, I would widen that up but I just don't feel like it right now.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

What'd you say Gotenks/Boo gap would be ideally? I think as a fight it seems Gotenks is a bit further ahead of Boo than Cell was to Goku, but if you were to do that in numbers you might just as-well keep it the same.

 

[Kyo]

1.15x

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Seems about right, the only reason I might not do it is because Boo said he wasn't completely surpassed until Gohan which is as if to say Gotenks was still some-what at his level or someone he could fight. Piccolo also said Boo was getting angry because it was the first time he fought someone who was on his level or above, but the fight seems to go against it.

 

[Kyo]

Yeah I find that there's still more to say Gotenks > Boo, for instance Gohan and Piccolo being totally okay with giving Gotenks another crack at Boo despite the fact that it was Boo himself who asked for it, with the latter only being concerned that Boo had some kinda trick iirc (as opposed to any power difference).

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Agreed. I just meant making the gap that big. Gotenks is superior, no doubt but the dialouge seems to indicate it's not by that much. It kind-of makes me hesitate to make it bigger. Cell said a fight isn't fun unless the fighters are close, even-though Cell had the decisive advantage so I usually go around that just to fit that in with the dialouge. Maybe slightly more, just because Gotenks vs Boo seemed way more one-sided. Piccolo even told Gotenks to not let his guard down and the only reason besides Boo dodging Gotenks' punch and throwing him into the temple was because Gotenks let his guard down (the mouth-blast).

 

[Kyo]

"Close to a certain extent" is the phrasing used to describe Goku vs Cell, in which Goku is somewhat close to Cell in power but his loss is a sure thing, with multiple characters stating that Cell is a level or two above and that Goku has no chance to win. Gotenks vs Boo can be close enough to that in my mind.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

One last question: Are you ever going to do another DragonBall list?

 

[Kyo]

One last question: Are you ever going to do another DragonBall list?

No

 

[FeatsofPower]

Vegeta (big zenkai): 250,000

Why is Vegeta so strong here?

Vegeta (Zenkai): 3,700,000

True form Freeza: 3,600,000

Initial Final Form Freeza should be superior to Vegeta by a solid margin. It looks very similar to Vegeta vs 1st Form Freeza.

-- SSJ: 400,000,000
--- KHH: 1,000,000,000

What's your amp for Vegeta's Final Crash on Reecome?

- tooling veggie: 57,000,000,000

50% SSJ Goku: 56,000,000,000

Goku has an aura at 50%, during his warm up power against Cell, he doesn't. Goku doesn't seem to need to rev up at all to fight Cell, where he had to rev up to reach 50%.

50% Goku >>> Warm Up Goku ~ Cell

-- wrecked: 1,560,000,000
--- Light Grenade: 4,200,000,000

The manga has a consistent history of showing fighters able to reach their full power ki blast despite being hurt. Are you suggesting Majin Vegeta could have actually killed Majin Buu if he had been healthy? Was Super Saiyan 2 Gohan's Kamehameha anything other than full power? Was Vegeta's BBA against 19 not full power?

 

[FeatsofPower]

I think "about half" CG Goku is > than whatever went on down on the Earth with Veggie, Trunks and Perfect Seru.

Agreed, and by a huge margin.

that having 50% Goku at > those levels makes it pretty hard to have the base kids around #18 level in my book

But that's our job to make those two things work. It's doable. The kids aren't as strong as we thought they were, even after being in the RoSaT, they can only match Trunks power at the CG.

40x multiplier for SS3? Was that to make Goku > U. Gohan? of

It might be necessary to make

Ssj Gotenks ~ Ssj3 Goku > Base Gotenks > Ssj2 Goku

It's extreme obviously, but it might be necessary. No one ever implies that Super Saiyan works differently for fusions.

You mean pre-RoSaT Gotenks? I don't have an issue with post SS Gagtenks being >>>>>> SS3 Goku.

This won't work. Gotenks can't finish Majin Buu off in a minute.

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Nah, it was to have Base Gotenks > SSJ2 Goku without having SSJ Gotenks >>>>>>>>> SSJ3 Goku without nerfing Gotenks's SSJ multiplier.

This is an option I've considered as well. Either way, there are no winners with the Gotenks stuff.

Option 1- Deny Base Gotenks power
Option 2- Nerf Gotenks Super Saiyan multiplier
Option 3- Make Super Saiyan 3 big enough to account for Gotenks' Super Saiyan power.


All options suck. Gotenks is the worst character to power scale for.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I don’t think bro even remembers his reasoning for 90% of these numbers

 

[FeatsofPower]

Still an excellent list.