For the ones who think Gohan > suppressed Cell
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Not me, Cell wasn't going all out when he fought Gohan. Once he did, Gohan can't keep up anymore.
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Gohan didn't want to fight. It's all about having tbe right mind, after all. I have them as equals btw.
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Gohan simply had no chance at handling Cell without bringing out his dormant power. Goku placed all his hopes on that factor.
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If you read through that whole part you'll notice that Gohan is never really hurt by Cell's attacks. He's always right back on his feet. Even when Cell was bear hugging him he ended up getting dropped to the ground and popped right back up.
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That's a good point. Gohan seemed to be in pain for a bit after Cell dropped him, but he shook it off pretty fast.
Reading through this chapter again still makes me wonder why Gohan was so emotional towards #16. This was before #16 even spoke to him.
Reading through this chapter again still makes me wonder why Gohan was so emotional towards #16. This was before #16 even spoke to him.
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I'm talking about before #16 spoke to him.
He already had an emotional reaction to #16. Cell stomping on him after his words was simply the breaking point.
It was #16's death that triggered the rage to explode. No different than Goku transforming after Freeza killed Krillin.
He already had an emotional reaction to #16. Cell stomping on him after his words was simply the breaking point.
It was #16's death that triggered the rage to explode. No different than Goku transforming after Freeza killed Krillin.
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Maybe I'm just overthinking it.
Nice robotic guy getting stomped on is probably all that mattered there.
Nice robotic guy getting stomped on is probably all that mattered there.
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He probably felt some empathy for the android considering their all on the same side, but I don't think his death was the deciding factor in Gohan unleashing his true power.
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Agree with FW. Gohan was already building up some rage from the Cell Jrs but has holding back. It was 16's speech that made him go all out, not his death.
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It had to be a combination of both. The panel even says "snap" across it right after Cell stomped him. What else would've made him snap?
The only thing outside of #16 that would've likely pushed him over the edge is the Cell Jrs killing one of the others. I definitely disagree in the idea that #16's death had no effect on Gohan. Kinda defeats the point of the scene imo.
Vol. 34 / Chp. 407
The trigger was Cell killing No. 16.
The only thing outside of #16 that would've likely pushed him over the edge is the Cell Jrs killing one of the others. I definitely disagree in the idea that #16's death had no effect on Gohan. Kinda defeats the point of the scene imo.
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The trigger was Cell killing No. 16.
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#16's death was the reason for Gohan's going berserk. The dub even said something that "16 can't be brought back to life because he's an android".
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ahill1 said:How do you explain this:
Maybe Cell did a silent power up?
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Evil Vegeta said:
Like others have pointed out, I don't think it was simply #16. The most important thing was the robot's speech, who seemed to understand why Gohan couldn't cut loose -- the reason being a mental barrier (which was presented in the final KMHMH), -- and #16's speech just helped Gohan to realize he might just set his emotions free, since there're enemies that can't be convinced through words:
Even Cell understands that as a good advice, but don't think his advice would contribute to Gohan's passions setting free.
Even #16 wants to be taken to Gohan, not because he knows Gohan would be snapped into a frenzy if he gets killed, but because he has an advice to make -- and that is the main thing, although #16's death might also have a factor considering Gohan's face after him being crushed, followed by him cutting loose. But that does not make it thr sole or even the main reason, the main thing there was #16 understanding what Gohan feels -- probably because he is a pacifist as well and don't enjoy fighting -- and trying to pull the anger from Gohan.
Saying #16 was the sole reason for Gohan's anger is just ludicrious to me when I just read the scene, as ludicrious as saying Goku didn't know he could have defeated fat Boo until the end or saying the Potara is the main reason for Vegetto's strength.
Like I said, it might be both -- but with #16's advise having the higher role in it.
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It's definitely a combination of both. The advice got Gohan started, but #16 getting stomped pushed him over the edge and made him snap. That's pretty much what the scene shows us. If Cell decided to walk away and spare #16, I doubt he'd transform (assuming the Cell Jrs don't kill anyone). That'd also defeat the point of the scene.
In a nutshell: kind Android tells Gohan it's okay to let go, and asks him to protect the animals he wanted to protect. Villain stomps him and taunts him. Gohan snaps and becomes a Super Saiyan 2. #16's advice set things into motion for Gohan, but #16's death triggered the transformation.
In a nutshell: kind Android tells Gohan it's okay to let go, and asks him to protect the animals he wanted to protect. Villain stomps him and taunts him. Gohan snaps and becomes a Super Saiyan 2. #16's advice set things into motion for Gohan, but #16's death triggered the transformation.
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I do agree that the advice takes precedent over the actual stomp.
