Freeza Saga Rewritten Levels

[p123]

Don't feel obligated to use these changes, but I am for now...

1) I don't like the Krillen being relevant at all, he should be a weak ass human piece of shit.

2) Piccolo's post Kaio-Sama training should be reduced way down. Nail should provide a tremendous benefit.

3) No need to bloat up Captain Ginyu so powerful me thinks.

4) Freeza needs to be toned way down.

5) Kaioken needs to be toned down which in turn should tone down Super Saiyan as well.

I think that more or less solves majority of the issues I have with the Freeza Saga.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Vegeta (post Zarbon): 30k
Recoome/Jeice/Butta: 40k
Goku (max): 60k (can use kaioken up to 5fold)
Ginyu (max): 60k
Freeza 1st form: 100k

Vegeta (post Recoome): 40k
Gohan (post Recoome): 25k
Gohan (enraged): 100k

Freeza ragdolls everyone. Gohan gets a rage boost that temporarily
brings him to 1st Form Freeza's level, so he stalls the galactic monarch
till Piccolo arrives. When Piccolo arrives, Dende has the time to heal
Gohan and Krillin, but leaves Vegeta wounded. Freeza transforms into
2nd Form.

Piccolo: 10k
Namiccolo (weighted): 160k
Freeza 2nd form (initial): 150k
Namiccolo (unweighted): 200k
Freeza 2nd form (max): 200k
Gohan (healed): 55k
Freeza 3rd Form: 300k
Gohan (enraged): 220k
Gohan (enraged blast): 275k

Dende is convinced to heal Vegeta once Freeza starts his final transformation.

Freeza 4th form (initial): 400k
Vegeta (healed): 400k
Freeza 4th form (speed up): 600k
Goku: 600k
Goku (5x kaioken): 3m
Freeza 50%: 7.5m
Goku (10x kaioken): 6m
SSJ Goku: 15.6m
Freeza (max): 15m

 

[p123]

I only went over it briefly, but this looks really good. Much better than the real story.

Captain Ginyu being able to manhandle Jeice, Burter and Reecome all on his own should be enough. We don't need to make him anymore massively stronger.

The only thing I disagree with is Goku using 10x Kaioken comfortably. I think we need to reduce Kaioken. Don't forget that Goku healed w/ max Kaioken in his mind can't beat 3rd Form Freeza. We don't want Goku's Kaioken getting things ridiculously large.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

I only went over it briefly, but this looks really good. Much better than the real story.

Captain Ginyu being able to manhandle Jeice, Burter and Reecome all on his own should be enough. We don't need to make him anymore massively stronger.

The only thing I disagree with is Goku using 10x Kaioken comfortably. I think we need to reduce Kaioken. Don't forget that Goku healed w/ max Kaioken in his mind can't beat 3rd Form Freeza. We don't want Goku's Kaioken getting things ridiculously large.

I don't think my numbers are haxed. Shall i continue to Androids Saga?

 

[p123]

50x is too much for Super Saiyan, we all know that from the Androids Saga on. Correct the issue before it becomes an issue.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

50x is too much for Super Saiyan, we all know that from the Androids Saga on. Correct the issue before it becomes an issue.

We can go with the ''additive'' theory. SSJ just adds 3m to your base level. Therefore, even though Vegeta
has a much greater base PL than Goku (400k/60k), when both of them go SSJ, Vegeta is only slightly
stronger (Androids Saga).

 

[p123]

No Base Goku > Vegeta.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Withheld, that's getting on Freezamite territory.

 

[p123]

Here let me show you how it should be done...



Freeza 2nd Form 500,000
Gohan (Zenkai) 500,000
Gohan (Enraged) 450,000
Max KK Goku 375,000
Freeza 250,000
Vegeta 225,000
Gohan 150,000
KK Goku 150,000
Ginyu (FP) 100,000
Goku/Ginyu 75,000
Ginyu Force 45,000
Vegeta 32,500
Zarbon Monster 32,000
Vegeta (Namek) 27,000
Zarbon 24,000
Dodoria 22,000
Cui 18,000
Vegeta (Earth) 18,000
Vegeta (Freeza Soldier) 17,500



I'll do more later. That's pretty good so far.

 

[Animelover5487]

Don't feel obligated to use these changes, but I am for now...

1) I don't like the Krillin being relevant at all, he should be a weak ass human piece of shit. What's wrong with Kuririn being relevant? I think it is a good chance of pace when human characters are relevant.

2) Piccolo's post Kaio-Sama training should be reduced way down. Nail should provide a tremendous benefit. Well you could make the argument of disregarding the "Nameless Namek split his power in half statement" as Guru stated that would have given him a chance against the Saiyans but Piccolo couldn't have been anymore than 2,500 back then which with a 2x power up would still put him far below Nappa, let alone Vegeta. I only use it to keep Piccolo relevant to the main characters as well as it fitting so well with the Android arc power levels but it's not a set in stone fact.

3) No need to bloat up Captain Ginyu so powerful me thinks. Ginyu was put at that level to make him somewhat of a threat since Goku had Kaioken on top of an OP base.

4) Freeza needs to be toned way down.

5) Kaioken needs to be toned down which in turn should tone down Super Saiyan as well.

I think that more or less solves majority of the issues I have with the Freeza Saga.

I agree with your other two points though.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

No Base Goku > Vegeta.

You're right, that seems a little bit off. Check out my edit.

 

[p123]

I see no reason for the humans to be relevant at all really. The best humans were only 22nd Budokai level, I can justifiably make them drastically more powerful. That's their potential, that's their limits. Perhaps training with Kami could help them unlock some levels, but I don't know. Just personal preference here.

 

[Victorious]

SSJ should be way over Oozaru. So way over 10x

 

[ahill1]

If I were the author, I wouldn't have 1st form Freeza that strong. 530k seems excessive. Even 180k should do it imo. I also think Vegeta's post Recoome Zenkai seems a bit too strong in consequence. But that's about it.

 

[p123]

Goku's Kaioken x5 is what does it. Doesn't Goku say in the ship he can now do KKx5? Which makes it needed for Freeza to be so strong. If Goku can just Kaioken his way to victory, Freeza won't seem as massive. AT dug himself into a hole with Kaioken.

 

[SSJ2]

He said Kaioken x10, so even worse.

 

[Victorious]

Yeah Goku post 100x gravity training said he should be able to put out a 10x Kaioken. He said that in the spaceship. So he could hit a 900,000 battle power if he wanted to against Ginyu. He even told Ginyu the standard x2 180,000 was just the tip of the iceberg.

The real question is, how strenuous that would be on his body? Against Freeza for instance 10x Kaioken was nothing, like a 2x for him back on Earth in the Saiyan saga. I like to think a 10x Kaioken for Goku pre Ginyu swap zenkai though would be much different and very strenuous on him ...like a 4x was on Earth..ie his absolute max that he can only stay in for 30 seconds or so. Or Like the 20x was against Freeza.

 

[p123]

It's a good question does he mean he can do it for a one-time attack or can he maintain it for a fight that is a big deal to the situation but as you can see the author really box himself in here,

 

[Victorious]

There's no reason to believe Goku can go any higher than x10 against Ginyu. That should be viewed as his max output Kaioken grade and thus very strenuous. It would be a 30 seconds 1 time attack deal IMO.

Though I'd say he could fight long periods and multiple times in a x6 or x7 and match 1st form Freeza. Kinda like how x3 was for him on Earth. x3 on Earth was tough on him but he could handle it for a while. I think Freeza would be forced to transform in order to defeat initial Namek Goku.

 

[ahill1]

P123, Goku stated something like "and that's nothing compared to when I use my power in bursts".

Probably referring to the quickness of the technique or to only being able to put forth a Kaioken x10 for a very brief moment.


Honestly, I'd say Goku stating "now I am able to put forth a x5 Kaioken" after his gravity training to be pretty underwhelming. He was already able to put forth a Kaioken x4 in the battle against Vegeta (even though briefly), so making mention of a Kaioken x5 (which he already made mention when Vegeta was in his Ozaru form) would seem just underwhelming.