Freeza Saga

[GreatSaiyaman123]

The Saiyan Saga list I posted was just supposed to be a one off thing to test Kamehameha = 2.22x, but I'm also feeling like doing a Cell Saga one so why not make a Freeza Saga one in the middle?

Banan and Sui: 1,000 each

Kuririn (Weighted): 1,500
~ Unweighted: 1,875

Gohan: 1,500
~ Enraged: 6,000

Kui: 18,000

Vegeta: 16,000
~ Full power: 24,000
~ Kitanai Hanabi: 27,000

Goku: 12,000

Freeza: 212,000

Freeza's Soldiers: 1,500 ~ 2,500
Appule (Suppressed): 2,700

Most Namekians: <<1,000
Moori: 500
Dende: 10

Namekian Farmers: 1,000 each
~ Full powers: 3,000 each

Dodoria: 22,000
Vegeta's Finish Blaster: 28,800

Zarbon: 23,000
~ Transformed: 29,900

Vegeta (Zenkai): 30,000

Super Kami Guru: 800
Nail: 4,200

Kuririn (Potential unleashed): 13,000
Gohan (Potential unleashed): 14,000

Gurd: 8,000

Recoome: 40,000

Vegeta's Final Crash: ???

Goku (Post training, suppressed): 5,000
~ Attacking: 67,500

Captain Ginyu: 67,500
~ Full power: 120,000

Goku (Full power): 90,000
~ Kaio-Ken x2: 180,000

Captain Ginyu (Goku's body): 23,000
Goku (Ginyu's body, injured): 120

Kuririn (Post Recoome fight): 26,000
Gohan (Zenkai): 28,000

Vegeta (Zenkai, suppressed): 50,000
~ Powered up: 250,000

Dende (Potential unleashed): 5,000

Nail (Full power): 42,000

Kuririn (Power rising): 75,000+
Gohan (Power rising): 200,000+

Chaozu: 30,000
Yamcha: 75,000
Tenshinhan: 90,000
Piccolo (Weighted): 240,000

Freeza (Full power): 530,000
Vegeta (Full power): 500,000

Freeza (Transformed): 1,060,000
Gohan (Enraged): 900,000
Freeza (Powered up): 1,166,000

Kuririn (Healed): 150,000
Gohan (Zenkai): 1,080,000

Piccolo (Merged with Nail): 1,200,000
Freeza (Full power): 1,440,000
Piccolo (Full power): 1,500,000

Freeza (2nd transformation): 1,800,000
Gohan's Bakuretsu Ranma: 1,620,000

Freeza (Final transformation): 2,250,000
Vegeta (Zenkai): 2,250,000

Freeza (Speed up): 2,700,000
Vegeta's Planet Buster: 6,000,000
Freeza (Kicking the blast): 6,750,000

Goku (Zenkai): 2,700,000
~ Serious: 3,000,000

Freeza (No hands): 3,600,000
~ 50%: 72,000,000

Goku's Kaio-Ken x10: 30,000,000
~ Kaio-Ken x20: 60,000,000
~ Kaio-Ken Kamehameha x20: 160,000,000
~ Fatigued: 300,000

Freeza's blast to counter the KHH: 180,000,000

Piccolo (Gohan and Kuririn's Ki): 3,000,000
Genki-Dama: 200,000,000

Goku (Exhausted): 30,000
~ SSJ (Magically healed): 150,000,000

Freeza (70%): 100,800,000
~ 100%: 144,000,000
~ Nova Strike: 400,000,000

SSJ Goku's Kamehameha: 400,000,000

Freeza (Post Nova Strike): 135,000,000
~ End of fight: 120,000,000
~ Cut in half: 120
~ Goku's Ki: 120,000

 

[SSJ2]

Dodoria, Zarbon and transformed Carbon are too high.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Freeze had to cheat to hit Goku. Nova-Strike could be lower than KHH.

 

[ahill1]

Why is start Vegeta 16k not 18k?

 

[Zippy]

Were post zenkai vegeta and transformed zarbon that close?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Dodoria, Zarbon and transformed Carbon are too high.

Were post zenkai vegeta and transformed zarbon that close?

Dodoria and Zarbon are the official numbers. As for Monster Zarbon, they were pretty much even and Vegeta resorted to throwing sand on his eyes to get the edge. It's definitely closer than 24k Vegeta vs Handsome Zarbon was.

Freeze had to cheat to hit Goku. Nova-Strike could be lower than KHH.

Freeza cheated because he and Goku were in complete stalemate.

Why is start Vegeta 16k not 18k?

Kui said Vegeta had gotten weaker before he revealed himself to be suppressed.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Nah, Freeza has pride if he could have he’d have not chosen the easy way out.

 

[SSJ2]

Official numbers are complete trash.

 

[SSJ2]

Also I think you need a lobotomy if you think Vegeta and Monster Zarbon were equals. Care to back that up? When did Zarbon do anything to put himself on that level?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Nah, Freeza has pride if he could have he’d have not chosen the easy way out.

He literally tried to destroy the planet so Goku couldn't beat him and then brought his dad to fight Goku.

And that aside, staying in the beam struggle wouldn't have gone anywhere. Freeza may have lost that because of stamina, but that doesn't mean he's weaker. If he was they wouldn't have literally stalemated.

Also I think you need a lobotomy if you think Vegeta and Monster Zarbon were equals. Care to back that up? When did Zarbon do anything to put himself on that level?

Bro this is pretty much common sense lol

Spoiler

And this is after Zarbon was severely weakened. Base Zarbon himself wasn't far from 24k Vegeta since Kuririn couldn't tell who was stronger, and Monster Zarbon is obviously even closer since Vegeta had to throw sand in eyes to finish the fight quickly.

 

[SSJ2]

LOL common sense yet shows Zarbon getting impaled by a mere punch. Nobody is saying Zarbon isn't in Vegeta's realm, but arguing that they're directly equal is absurd and not supported. Vegeta wanted to take him off guard because that's obviously far easier than taking him on in a normal 1v1 battle. There's no other case in the series where a mere off guard punch completely decimated an equal power. The closest thing you'd be able to use is Cell blasting Gohan, but ki blasts are naturally far more destructive than physical attacks so it's a poor comparison.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

They were close, so of-course Goku had trouble. Freeza told his father he wanted to fight alone against Goku, but if need be he can help and then it’d be very easy. He only went for planet-destroying thing when he thought he’d die and couldn’t defeat Goku.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

LOL common sense yet shows Zarbon getting impaled by a mere punch. Nobody is saying Zarbon isn't in Vegeta's realm, but arguing that they're directly equal is absurd and not supported. Vegeta wanted to take him off guard because that's obviously far easier than taking him on in a normal 1v1 battle. There's no other case in the series where a mere off guard punch completely decimated an equal power. The closest thing you'd be able to use is Cell blasting Gohan, but ki blasts are naturally far more destructive than physical attacks so it's a poor comparison.

Sure rivals never one shot like that, but what about after a barrage of Ki blasts like that? Vegeta even said Zarbon should be weakened from the blasts.


The mere fact that Zarbon could still put up a fight after being raped like that is quite a feat. A lesser opponent would’ve been obliterated right there.

 

[SSJ2]

What you're arguing also makes perfect sense if Zarbon is 28-29k.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

That’s a nice placement too, I just went with a highball. This is because I’m going with the Daizenshuu numbers here for Zarbon and Dodoria, and nothing in the manga really contradicts them. The smallest gap we saw in the manga was a 10%ish one between Vegeta and KKx2 Goku, which was still a pretty easy stomp.

 

[SSJ2]

You’re contradicting yourself. You have Nappa vs Goku being a 1.08x gap while 24k Vegeta vs Zarbon is 1.04x. This is why I’m saying you need a lobotomy.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Then come here and give me one big boy