Freeza wasn't a nicompoop in ROF.

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Okay serious talk I see this pop up wwaaayyy to much, and it triggers me uncontrollably. Freeza was not a moron in ROF for not training a form's stamina problems that he didn't know about in the first place. Fuck how was he supposed to know about it? For all he knew that problem was only limited to his finial form.

And even if beating the shit out of them with his godly might didn't work, somehow, he still planned ahead and had not one, but two counter measures to make sure his revenge worked out.
 

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Because he should have at least trained with his new form for a bit to recognize its weakness. Its shows that Freeza is still an overconfident warrior just like Goku ironically. He basically discovered his new form and then immediately came to Earth as he was so desperate for his revenge.
 

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What would've happened if Freeza trained for 6 months?
 

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Fearless Zamasu said:
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What would've happened if Freeza trained for 6 months?

He wouldn't get stronger after 4 months of training, basically he hit his limit.

Actually, he never hit his limit, if I remember correctly he tapped into some of his potential. Honestly if he trained for six months he'd only get a 20% increase in strength. So basically his Newbie Gains are over.
 

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ChulpaBatman said:
Because he should have at least trained with his new form for a bit to recognize its weakness. Its shows that Freeza is still an overconfident warrior just like Goku ironically. He basically discovered his new form and then immediately came to Earth as he was so desperate for his revenge.

Well said
 

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Gog said:
Fearless Zamasu said:
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What would've happened if Freeza trained for 6 months?

He wouldn't get stronger after 4 months of training, basically he hit his limit.

Actually, he never hit his limit, if I remember correctly he tapped into some of his potential. Honestly if he trained for six months he'd only get a 20% increase in strength. So basically his Newbie Gains are over.

Was it on Anime Super or the movie manga?
 

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Fearless Zamasu said:
Gog said:
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He wouldn't get stronger after 4 months of training, basically he hit his limit.

Actually, he never hit his limit, if I remember correctly he tapped into some of his potential. Honestly if he trained for six months he'd only get a 20% increase in strength. So basically his Newbie Gains are over.

Was it on Anime Super or the movie manga?

One of the outside material, I recall Freeza saying if he trains for four months he can acheive some of his potential.
 

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If Freeza trained he would have at the very least compensated for his Stamina issues. Playing the what if game is futile when it comes to Freeza getting stronger than he was. I view him hitting a hard limit and making tiny gains after hitting Golden Freeza. Maybe he'd master his form and get a 5% increase.

If Freeza had mastered his from then he would defeated Goku if they continued to fight straight up. However, I still think Goku would have won. He would have used an IT KKH and Freeza would not be able to regen his head.
 

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Pocket - Gog~ said:
Okay serious talk I see this pop up wwaaayyy to much, and it triggers me uncontrollably. Freeza was not a moron in ROF for not training a form's stamina problems that he didn't know about in the first place. Fuck how was he supposed to know about it? For all he knew that problem was only limited to his finial form.

And even if beating the shit out of them with his godly might didn't work, somehow, he still planned ahead and had not one, but two counter measures to make sure his revenge worked out.
Noticing one's ki is dropping is not easy. There are incountable scenes of DB where a sudden change on Ki is clearly underestimated/overestimated by a character and he misses an attack because of that.

Considering the strength he had when he went to the earth (at nearly SSJ God levels of power) one can't accuse him of having come back unprepared. He may had spent one year training, sure, but with the strength he gained in 4 months there was no reason to not head to earth. If it wasn't for the Battle of Gods events, he would've destroyed Goku like he was nothing.

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Because he should have at least trained with his new form for a bit to recognize its weakness. Its shows that Freeza is still an overconfident warrior just like Goku ironically. He basically discovered his new form and then immediately came to Earth as he was so desperate for his revenge.
Him being overconfident it's his character, but even accounting for that trait of his personality, he still thought a strategy in case he could lose. As a character he evolved a lot (if you compare him to your regular Toei made Freezer resurrection, where he only appears to speak as if he was still invincible only to be one shoted in the next scene).

Freezer's evolution since Namek goes like this.
Until Namek he was the strongest (besides Bills, if we incorporate Super) he knew, so he was hugely overconfident.
As Mecha Freezer, he got a bit less confident. He still didn't train since he was convinced he could win (not that strange considering that in Namek he could match SSJ Goku despite being badly injured), but he brings his father in case he needs help with the other Z-warriors that ended playing an important role in the fight. He of course wasn't aware of his real condition and got trashed by SSJ Trunks.

So this time he recognises he will have to train, and trains to a point that from his perspective was completely safe in terms of the strength he gained.
Even having done that, he prepares a strategy in case he would lose.
And as his last resource, he comes with the idea to destroy the earth in a cheap shot as his last resort (that only Whis can prevent).

He's not an einstein, but he wasn't the stupidest character of the whole series either.

ChulpaBatman said:
Playing the what if game is futile when it comes to Freeza getting stronger than he was. I view him hitting a hard limit and making tiny gains after hitting Golden Freeza. Maybe he'd master his form and get a 5% increase.
I completely disagree with this. Firstly, it was obvious for his level of progression that he wasn't even close to his limits. He didn't train in his whole life, and he only did it for 4 months after coming back weaker than he originally was.
Even if we want to assume that like the SSJ, he had to reach his true form limit before transforming into Golden (but nothing points towards that direction), the Golden Form was completely untapped.
Everything points towards him being able to become much stronger if he had trained even more.
 

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Frieza was a moron in rof, since he should've trained with this new transformation rather picking figths unprepared, and I'm sure frieza knows his full power have stamina issue, remember 100% frieza
 

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Freeza was using 50% of his power when he fought Golu and Vegeta. I'm sure his 100% would wipe out Beerus. :troll
 
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