Future 17 and 18 compared to SSJs
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Anyway, Kenshi probably wouldn't change VoR's opinion or make him concede, considering not even the Sokkuri example insert in a situation that was clearly not about power + the confirmation for Herms himself that it meant appearence there were enough to make him change his mind.
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Nothing would change his mind because he never believes he's wrong about anything.
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This kind of debators are the ones that annoys me the most, really... the ones who can never concede anything, who always have an answer no matter how refuted his position is, and then condescending tells off the opposition despite how backed up their arguments are. It seems their world will end if they are ever proven wrong, really, so they don't have anything more to do other than backpedal certain aspects of what they meant in a (ridiculous, might I add) attempt to not utter the words "sorry, I was wrong on that one", like in the Sokkuri instance, whereas VoR clearly stated the Sokkuri doesn't even translate to appearence and therefore couldn't convey such in the Trunks' example, yet instead of admitting, of recognizing that it might indeed mean appearence in some examples, he swifts the argument into "in that case it meant that, not in the case we are disucssing".Evil Vegeta said:
It's annoying how we apparently don't know how to read the story right and how we can't present evidence for our case in a matter he already says to be settled when it's something so ridiculous as Piccolo Daimao vs Kami, a discussion we only have to have a little bit of common sense and compare how well Goku performed against both, in which case denying the obvious disparity in the performances only shows how biased the person is to try and make sense of some whacky guidebooks which also features Popo as way stronger than Daimao. When you have to deny obvious disparity in performances like those ones and deny what the artwork is quite clearly showing, besides statements about Popo being the strongest Goku has ever faced (and in that case having to change the meaning of "strength") only to make sense of some battle power given in a Guidebook (or maybe to argue skill is that much important in detriment of power), then there's something wrong on how you are seeing things, really.
Btw, what do you think about Piccolo Junior stating Kami is lazy and has slacked off? Does it hint at the idea of Kami (after the split) being above the one Piccolo got to meet at the Budokai?
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That's the way I interpreted it. I believe Kami went on to become stronger after expelling the evil, while Daimao got confined into a jar and gained nothing. That's why I believe Daimao's youth power wasn't enough to overcome the difference. The much more powerful Piccolo at least considered the possibility of having to deal with Kami, but it became all too obvious that Kami wasn't a threat to him because he no longer trained. That at least told me that there was a point where Kami was actively training.
I always thought it was funny seeing Kami admit that his powers were nothing compared to the new enemies. Like, no shit it isn't. Kinda makes it seem like he was actively still improving--just not to a worthwhile extent to matter.
I always thought it was funny seeing Kami admit that his powers were nothing compared to the new enemies. Like, no shit it isn't. Kinda makes it seem like he was actively still improving--just not to a worthwhile extent to matter.
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And me. :elmo :elmo :elmoahill1 said:
