Future Saga/Trunks Saga Level Discussion

[p123]

Alright, we've made very good groundwork in the early Android Saga levels, to continue on and see how that matches up with the series before, we need to do this two part list to see how we can fit this jigsaw puzzle in.

Let's start with the basics and see where we can go from here...


Future 17 1,000
Super Saiyan Goku 650
Super Saiyan Trunks 550
Super Saiyan Gohan (1 arm ) 500
Future 17 (Less than Half) 400
Super Saiyan Gohan (2 arms ) 300

Then we have to ask ourselves, just how dominant is Trunks over Freeza? Also, how do we feel about how strong Mecha Freeza should be in comparison to Future 17?

The highest powers I could probably give to initial Super Saiyan level'd powers would be something like this....

Mecha Freeza 450
Super Saiyan Goku Namek 425
Freeza 400


That could possibly work, but that would be the biggest amount of credit that we could give this group.


If this is what we go with, this would suggest that the improvement over the three years is nothing crazy. Trunks cannot defeat the Future Androids, but he can hold his own.... So if we take the old list and the new we can slap together something pretty decent to play around with.


Future 17/18 1,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta 1,000
Super Saiyan Goku 975
Super Saiyan Trunks 925
Piccolo 850
Android 20 (Post Absorption) 700
Super Saiyan Goku (Yardrat) 650
Super Saiyan Goku (Sick) 650
Android 19 (Post Absorption) 600
Super Saiyan Trunks (Trunks Saga) 550
Android 20 550
Super Saiyan Goku (Post KHH) 525
Super Saiyan Gohan (1 Arm) 500
Mecha Freeza 450
Android 19 450
Super Saiyan Vegeta (Post Drain) 450
Super Saiyan Goku (Namek) 425
100% Freeza 400
Future 17 (Less than Half) 400
Super Saiyan Gohan (2 Arms) 300


Discuss...

 

[Vertical]

I'm still firmly convinced the Future Androids and the Present Androids are exactly the same strength... which would make this whole thing a lot tighter.

...I had some big post of it saved somewhere... <wanders off>

 

[p123]

I don't think I have any chance to make that work numerically if that's the case.

 

[Super Neko Majin Z]

Having Frieza that far above Gohan doesn't feel right to me. I get that Future Trunks >= Gohan (1 arm) > 40% 17 > Gohan (2 arms), but this is a Super Saiyan we're talking about here, and we know Mecha Frieza > 100% Frieza.

 

[p123]

I agree. I have been going with Super Saiyan Gohan (2 Arms) = Goku Namek. Considering how many feel about Trunks that he is >> Freeza, it all plays out much better like that.

 

[Pyro]

Future #17/18 – 1,300
Super Saiyan Vegeta – 1,300
Super Saiyan Goku – 1,275
Super Saiyan Trunks – 1,200
Piccolo – 1,000
Android #20 (post-absorption) – 850
Super Saiyan Goku (sick) – 800
Android #19 (post-absorption) – 635
Super Saiyan Goku (Yardrat) – 600
Android #20 – 600
Super Saiyan Trunks (initial) – 575
Super Saiyan Future Gohan (1 arm) – 565
Super Saiyan Vegeta (post-BBA) - 525
Future #17 (less than half) – 520
Android #19 – 500
Mecha Freeza – 460
Super Saiyan Goku (Namek) – 450
Super Saiyan Future Gohan (2 arms) – 425
100% Freeza – 410


This is stupid.

 

[p123]

Couple of complaints.

1) You have Freeza at 91% of Goku. No. Is Freeza (the one doing the supernova) really at that much of a disadvantage? Hell no.

2) I don't think Future 17 (Less than Half) will be that much higher than Mecha Freeza, remember Trunks thought he could take out both androids at the same time. Hell, it's quite possible Future 17 is weaker than Freeza, but we don't know for sure.

3) 19 Post shouldn't be that far away from Sick Goku imo. I think it's pretty close, but not quite there.

4) 85% is really pushing it for Piccolo vs 20, I generally like 80%, but 85% is probably the max you could put. Come to think of it, doesn't that fight remind you of what Cell Jr vs Piccolo might be like? Maybe 85% is perfect?

5) Agreed, Future Androids = Vegeta makes a lot of sense.