Future Trunks (Mecha saga) and Goku SSJ (Namekusei)

[ahill1]

Is Trunks considerably stronger than Goku?

Interestingly enough, in the anime, Kaio-sama says that Trunks is 'maybe' stronger than Goku, with his uncertainty possibly indicating a close gap between both.

 

[Void]

Freeza is cautiously confident in beating SS Goku from Namek, and Trunks easily disposes of him. Trunks definitely has a fair lead over Namek SS Goku. It doesn't need to be massive though.

 

[sei'taer]

Too much stock is put into furiza's line. He still can't sense chi, he has not concrete idea of his strength compared to goku's even if he powered up.

And on top of that he's far below his namek maximum when trunks kills him.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Freeza was able to scale quite well even without a scouter on Namek.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I've been on the fence about this for a while, but i definitely think Trunks far outstrips Goku, specially when guidebooks do support the notion that Trunks can one shot Freeza.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Too much stock is put into Freeza's line. He still can't sense chi, he has not concrete idea of his strength compared to goku's even if he powered up.

He should still be able to analyse Goku's strength from his movements, like characters have been doing since no later than the 22nd TB.

And on top of that he's far below his namek maximum when trunks kills him.

That's heavily debatable. It can be easily argued he used 100% or close to it in his Ki blast against Trunks, since he'd have to be incredibly stupid to hold back against another Super Saiyan. The lack of physical changes could easily be due to the cybernetics altering his usage of 100% to one not providing a change in his build, much like his seemingly perfected version of his true form in the Super manga, as it'd be common sense to eliminate the weakness that was a major factor in your defeat.

Also, Goku referring to Trunks as having oneshotted Freeza in order to display how much of a jump in power the Artificial Humans were when he clearly sensed the battles wouldn't have worked if Freeza going 100% would've made such a drastic change, since Goku would have likely brought such up had that been the case.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Is Trunks considerably stronger than Goku?

Interestingly enough, in the anime, Kaio-sama says that Trunks is 'maybe' stronger than Goku, with his uncertainty possibly indicating a close gap between both.

There is a chance the gap SSJs/Freeza was retconned in Mecha Freeza Saga, since Trunks said 'I'm not soft like Goku', implying Goku
could have finished the fight faster on Namek.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Is Trunks considerably stronger than Goku?

Interestingly enough, in the anime, Kaio-sama says that Trunks is 'maybe' stronger than Goku, with his uncertainty possibly indicating a close gap between both.

There is a chance the gap SSJs/Freeza was retconned in Mecha Freeza Saga, since Trunks said 'I'm not soft like Goku', implying Goku
could have finished the fight faster on Namek.

Not soft like Goku in the sense that he won't give Freeza any chances to live like Goku did. He won't have mercy on him.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

That's heavily debatable. It can be easily argued he used 100% or close to it in his Ki blast against Trunks, since he'd have to be incredibly stupid to hold back against another Super Saiyan. The lack of physical changes could easily be due to the cybernetics altering his usage of 100% to one not providing a change in his build, much like his seemingly perfected version of his true form in the Super manga, as it'd be common sense to eliminate the weakness that was a major factor in your defeat.

Also, Goku referring to Trunks as having oneshotted Freeza in order to display how much of a jump in power the Artificial Humans were when he clearly sensed the battles wouldn't have worked if Freeza going 100% would've made such a drastic change, since Goku would have likely brought such up had that been the case.

Don't you think it would've been stated if Freeza powered up to blast Trunks?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Dunno but strong enough to one shot Frieza something that I doubt Namek Goku can do the same feat.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Don't you think it would've been stated if Freeza powered up to blast Trunks?

There wasn't really an opportunity for it, plus it wasn't that essential in setting up Trunks' power from an audience's perspective when later statements already filled the job.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

There wasn't really an opportunity for it, plus it wasn't that essential in setting up Trunks' power from an audience's perspective when later statements already filled the job.

It could've quickly cut to Gohan or anyone else shouting "His Ki has raised!" after he blasted him.

 

[Ultimate Cell]

Yeah I think Frieza wasn't at 100% when he got pulverise. They would have shown or stated that. And also why do poeple assumed Frieza can go 100% easily just because he went Mecha? Their isn't anything to support this and the doctors who rebuilt Frieza probably were more concern on saving his life than anything else.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

The whole point of that fight was to demonstrate how Freeza is powerless against Trunks who is powerless against the Androids. Frieza is probably using 70% of his power but that wouldn't change the outcome.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Trunks' power is funny. Everyone thinks he's Goku based on his Ki but then he tells Freeza he's gonna one shot him and actually does so. Wouldn't be surprised if this retcon that Withheld keeps talking about happens to be a thing.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

I'm not against Mecha Freeza being able to use 100% in an instant. If he had to buff, only his organic parts would buff
and he would look ludicrous.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I think it has more to do with SSjin having a signature like IMO.

 

[ahill1]

Akira Toriyama would have changed his mind very quickly then. Gohan confusing Trunks with Goku and Trunks showing his confidence in fighting Freeza happened in the same chapter.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Trunks' power is funny. Everyone thinks he's Goku based on his Ki but then he tells Freeza he's gonna one shot him and actually does so. Wouldn't be surprised if this retcon that Withheld keeps talking about happens to be a thing.

Gohan was likely referring to the quality of his Ki and not the amount, plus I doubt he'd expect his dad to have not gotten stronger anyway.

 

[ahill1]

Trunks' power is funny. Everyone thinks he's Goku based on his Ki but then he tells Freeza he's gonna one shot him and actually does so. Wouldn't be surprised if this retcon that Withheld keeps talking about happens to be a thing.

Gohan was likely referring to the quality of his Ki and not the amount, plus I doubt he'd expect his dad to have not gotten stronger anyway.

Well, Gohan couldn't believe it was his father when he sensed his SSJ3 power against fat Boo. He thought it was him at first because it obviously has a similar signature, but then discarded the idea due to such chi being too high for it to below to Goku. Doesn't it show that Gohan thinks a chi being similar in feel to Goku's but much larger means it can't possibly be the same chi as his?

Chapter: 474 (DBZ 280), P7.8, P8.1-2
Context: after Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan 3
Gohan: “”Th-this ki…Don’t tell me…it’s father?...No…It’s not…”