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I think the Jr's are stronger than both Saiyans.p123 said:
Future Trunks SSJ ( Cell Game ) Vs Piccolo ( Cell Game )
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Not only is Piccolo not knocked out, he is flying in the air and still competing, it doesn't appear the Cell Jr is greatly superior to him.
For example, I'd guess that 2nd Form ( FP ) Freeza is more superior over Weighted Piccolo than Cell Jr was over Piccolo.
Would that be fair to say? Freeza is nonchalantly wrecking Piccolo, I think the Cell Jr has to work a bit more.
For example, I'd guess that 2nd Form ( FP ) Freeza is more superior over Weighted Piccolo than Cell Jr was over Piccolo.
Would that be fair to say? Freeza is nonchalantly wrecking Piccolo, I think the Cell Jr has to work a bit more.
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I can't view Piccolo as stronger than 50% MSSJ Goku. Before the Cell Games, everybody thought 50% was
Goku's max. If Piccolo had surpassed that level, he'd believe he'd surpassed Goku and he'd definitely bragged
about it once he exited rosat; he's not the modest type.
Cell Jrs were toying, like Kid Buu was toying with the greatly inferior Good Buu, making it look like a real fight.
Goku's max. If Piccolo had surpassed that level, he'd believe he'd surpassed Goku and he'd definitely bragged
about it once he exited rosat; he's not the modest type.
Cell Jrs were toying, like Kid Buu was toying with the greatly inferior Good Buu, making it look like a real fight.
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Piccolo's fight isn't shown at all, and don't forget that the fight lasted for a very short time. Even if he's completely outmatched, I can see him enduring (like Goku vs 50% Freeza) for that very short period, especially with the Cell kids potentially holding back.
As far as we know, the only ones able to retaliate were Trunks and Vegeta. Well, there was that one page (the one with Tenshithands standing up), where Piccolo might be throwing a punch.
As far as we know, the only ones able to retaliate were Trunks and Vegeta. Well, there was that one page (the one with Tenshithands standing up), where Piccolo might be throwing a punch.
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His warm up level? Yea, that's fine with me. Piccolo should be a good deal superior to that.
Piccolo is superior to MSSJ Goku though, it's definitely not a Weakened Base Goku vs Freeza scenario. And it's quite possible Goku was still using KKx10 to soften the blows.
Piccolo is superior to MSSJ Goku though, it's definitely not a Weakened Base Goku vs Freeza scenario. And it's quite possible Goku was still using KKx10 to soften the blows.
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He may not exactly be stronger than MSSJ Goku in terms of ki, it could simply be that Goku is too tired to fight back.
I just brought up Freeza vs Goku as an example of how, if you're a hero, you can survive a lot longer in fights than any villain would have lost in seconds. Even if he did use x10, that's still a massive gap.
I just brought up Freeza vs Goku as an example of how, if you're a hero, you can survive a lot longer in fights than any villain would have lost in seconds. Even if he did use x10, that's still a massive gap.
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Yea there are definitely variances with hero/villain, I mean look at Vegeta vs Cui and then Reecome vs Vegeta, yet Vegeta ( Earth ) vs Cui was supposed to be in Cui's favor so that takes out the skill argument.
However,are you factoring the varying levels of effort here?
Vegeta was trying to take out Cui while Reecome was toying with Vegeta.
However,are you factoring the varying levels of effort here?
Vegeta was trying to take out Cui while Reecome was toying with Vegeta.
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Effort is something to consider, but that's a grey area in the Cell junior fight as well IMO.
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Well I would say the Cell Jr's are using minimal effort against all fighters to stay ahead. Then they playfully beat their opponent up. I do think at a point they do quit joking around. Probably when Cell tells them to quit goofing off.
Piccolo is pretty savagely beaten down, but I probably can't see him below 75% of the Cell Jr. They would have gone all out eventually imo.
Also, Piccolo > Tired Goku. I see nothing that suggests that fatigue would alter battle power clashes that much.
It's not like Piccolo is 10x weaker than Goku or anything.
Piccolo is pretty savagely beaten down, but I probably can't see him below 75% of the Cell Jr. They would have gone all out eventually imo.
Also, Piccolo > Tired Goku. I see nothing that suggests that fatigue would alter battle power clashes that much.
It's not like Piccolo is 10x weaker than Goku or anything.
This is a pretty clear victory for Trunks imo. Cell seemed to pay more attention to him than Piccolo:
Cell: “It’s the same thing. Vegeta and Trunks may have raised their power, but they should still be inferior to you…â€
Cell (to Gohan): “If you don’t show your true worth soon, things will go past the point of no return. Look closely. Vegeta or Trunks are barely fighting evenly…Even Son Goku is in trouble, having lost his stamina…â€
And if Trunks is still close to Vegeta, which those quotes would suggest, then he's in a range of power that until Goku uses his full power, is the best chance of beating Cell (as far as Vegeta is concerned), while Piccolo knows he has no chance as soon as he leaves the time chamber.
There's also this:
Vegeta: “…That’d just be a waste of time. Only Saiyans can step into the region ahead…â€
But it may have just been empty boasting, who knows.
Cell: “It’s the same thing. Vegeta and Trunks may have raised their power, but they should still be inferior to you…â€
Cell (to Gohan): “If you don’t show your true worth soon, things will go past the point of no return. Look closely. Vegeta or Trunks are barely fighting evenly…Even Son Goku is in trouble, having lost his stamina…â€
And if Trunks is still close to Vegeta, which those quotes would suggest, then he's in a range of power that until Goku uses his full power, is the best chance of beating Cell (as far as Vegeta is concerned), while Piccolo knows he has no chance as soon as he leaves the time chamber.
There's also this:
Vegeta: “…That’d just be a waste of time. Only Saiyans can step into the region ahead…â€
But it may have just been empty boasting, who knows.
