Gap between Sick Goku and Yardrat Goku

[GreatSaiyaman123]

How big is it?

 

[Animelover5487]

Minimum since Piccolo could tell right away that Goku was far from his full power. The humans surprise doesn't mean much since Freeza is still a big deal for them, all SSJs are gods to them.

1.1-1.19×

 

[SIAD]

1.25x

 

[SIAD]

Minimum since Piccolo could tell right away that Goku was far from his full power. The humans surprise doesn't mean much since Freeza is still a big deal for them, all SSJs are gods to them.

1.1-1.19×

Exact.

Which gap is bigger between UI Sign Goku (Episode 110) over Genkidama vs Gap between Genkidama over Goku SSJB Kaioken x20 (Episode 109)?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Minimum since Piccolo could tell right away that Goku was far from his full power. The humans surprise doesn't mean much since Freeza is still a big deal for them, all SSJs are gods to them.

1.1-1.19×

Yeah I think it’s fair to say Sick Goku is closer to Goku from 3 years ago than FP Goku.

Exact.

Which gap is bigger between UI Sign Goku (Episode 110) over Genkidama vs Gap between Genkidama over Goku SSJB Kaioken x20 (Episode 109)?

The gap between UI Sign Goku (Episode 110) and Sick Goku

 

[Goku9001]

Minimum since Piccolo could tell right away that Goku was far from his full power. The humans surprise doesn't mean much since Freeza is still a big deal for them, all SSJs are gods to them.

1.1-1.19×

The logic doesn't follow. That only tells us Goku is far from full power but doesn't tell us where Goku is relative to his Yardrat self.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Tien is blown away by Goku's Sick power despite witnessing Yardrat Goku's power. Sick Goku should be 1.33x-1.5x Yardrat Goku.

Remember, Yardrat Goku has NO chance against the Androids, it would be pointless for him to try, so Sick Goku must be significantly beyond that.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Yardrat Goku vs Expected Androids gap has always been unclear to me. If Goku is supposed to be >> Trunks and the Androids are >>> Trunks then doesn’t that mean Future twins are just > Goku?

 

[Animelover5487]

Yardrat Goku vs Expected Androids gap has always been unclear to me. If Goku is supposed to be >> Trunks and the Androids are >>> Trunks then doesn’t that mean Future twins are just > Goku?

The Future Twins can be anywhere up to 2x Trunks since they used less than half vs Gohan in the past and Trunks was likely around Gohan's level given Bulma's statement.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Yardrat Goku vs Expected Androids gap has always been unclear to me. If Goku is supposed to be >> Trunks and the Androids are >>> Trunks then doesn’t that mean Future twins are just > Goku?

I just looked at it the other day.

Expected Androids >>>>> Yardrat Goku

The Androids power will be considered unthinkable to come from this world. They are ridiculously above Goku, so much so, Trunks seeing Goku's strength only holds a little hope for a 3 years trained Goku to be able to win.

The Future Twins can be anywhere up to 2x Trunks since they used less than half vs Gohan in the past and Trunks was likely around Gohan's level given Bulma's statement.

Even larger than that in all likelihood. Less than half can be quite powerful. I think I have them using 20% of their power when they say so.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I just looked at it the other day.

Expected Androids >>>>> Yardrat Goku

The Androids power will be considered unthinkable to come from this world. They are ridiculously above Goku, so much so, Trunks seeing Goku's strength only holds a little hope for a 3 years trained Goku to be able to win.

But there’s got to be a bare minimum right? Unless 19 pre >>>> Yardrat Goku?

 

[FeatsofPower]

But there’s got to be a bare minimum right? Unless 19 pre >>>> Yardrat Goku?

Well remember, 19 Post does not meet expectations. And the expectation is that they will lose.

20 Post is strong enough to make Piccolo consider that they got too strong, but still, it's clear Yardrat Goku is a nothing here. He simply cannot compete at all.

I like the idea of keeping 19/20 only a bit stronger than Yardrat Goku personally. Superior, but not tremendously.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Well remember, 19 Post does not meet expectations. And the expectation is that they will lose.

20 Post is strong enough to make Piccolo consider that they got too strong, but still, it's clear Yardrat Goku is a nothing here. He simply cannot compete at all.

I like the idea of keeping 19/20 only a bit stronger than Yardrat Goku personally. Superior, but not tremendously.

The expectations are in regards to how the current Z Fighters will fare against the androids and whether they can win, not to how they compared 3 years ago. Regardless of where 3 years ago Goku and Trunks scale nobody’s thinking about them anymore.

Why wouldn’t nobody realize 19 pre is weak? Is it because they’re too focused on Goku’s power?

 

[MikaelHarding]

pretty big if he's sick

 

[Animelover5487]

The expectations are in regards to how the current Z Fighters will fare against the androids and whether they can win, not to how they compared 3 years ago. Regardless of where 3 years ago Goku and Trunks scale nobody’s thinking about them anymore.

Why wouldn’t nobody realize 19 pre is weak? Is it because they’re too focused on Goku’s power?

Vegeta did say that he wasn't as "scary" as Trunks made them out to be after watching his fight with Goku.

 

[FeatsofPower]

The expectations are in regards to how the current Z Fighters will fare against the androids and whether they can win, not to how they compared 3 years ago. Regardless of where 3 years ago Goku and Trunks scale nobody’s thinking about them anymore.

Why wouldn’t nobody realize 19 pre is weak? Is it because they’re too focused on Goku’s power?

Well 19 does not meet expectation. That's Vegeta pointing out 19's weakness.